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When are people going to learn? They are not kidding around about this stuff anymore. Those two from Cactus were railroaded for a reason. The government wanted to make an example out of them. If your going to drink on a trip then be smart about it! Why is there a need to get ******************** faced on a trip anyways?
 
A follow-up question here...

What are the implications/consequences placed on the other crew member for not "taking action" and allowing his/her CA/FO to fly under the influence?
 
bmpilot2003 said:
I quit drinking all together on overnights. They are out to get you at the security check points now.
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Me too, just not worth it. I would rather drink on my off days so I can drink intil the sun comes up if I want.
 
Instinct said:
A follow-up question here...

What are the implications/consequences placed on the other crew member for not "taking action" and allowing his/her CA/FO to fly under the influence?
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FAA: None that I know of... 91.13 maybe?
Company: They can fire you (seen it happen)
State/Local Law: They could probably find something to charge you with.
 
If your curious about the consequences then just look at the America West guys. Five years in prison I think?

Your absolutly right about the TSA being out to get us. Those losers would like nothing more then to bust a pilot in uniform. Makes a great story to tell that evening when they go back to the ghetto or the trailer.
 
I quit drinking period. Gave up on model airplanes too.
 
I actually heard at one point that TSA was trying to get jumpseat priviledges, but that it got shot down by the airlines. Can you believe having one of those fat A$$es on your jumpseat!
 
Its true they did try it. Every captain that I spoke with about it said that there is no way in hell they would be allowed to ride with us.
 
Erlanger said:
No names but he's young and only been at Skywest a few months. What a dope. Career over!
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Not quite....Try six years...
 
if you llike to drink on an overnight, do it. there's no need to give it up you nerds. Just don't get wrecked. Half the problem is some people don't drink outside of work do to lack of social life, then while on an overnight the inexperience of drinking takes over and they don't know when to call it quits!
 
PunchTheClown said:
When are people going to learn? They are not kidding around about this stuff anymore. Those two from Cactus were railroaded for a reason. The government wanted to make an example out of them. If your going to drink on a trip then be smart about it! Why is there a need to get ******************** faced on a trip anyways?
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Railroaded? Exactly. They railroaded the rest of us professional pilots by showing up to work after an all night bender. My guess is that they are currently taking the old number 9 freight train up the caboose. "Unfortunately", they will end up getting out of the can having to wear depends for the rest of their lives while being allowed to drive a school bus. Damn liberal laws.
 
I never drink on an overnight. I owe it to my passengers to be sober and alert. Drinks can compromise the trust they have placed in me.

Then again...I'm a loser and seldom drink on my days off either. :)
 
bmpilot2003 said:
I actually heard at one point that TSA was trying to get jumpseat priviledges, but that it got shot down by the airlines. Can you believe having one of those fat A$$es on your jumpseat!
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I really, really hope this is flamebait. Naturally the TSA m*therf%&*&s would want to have priority right below an FAA inspecctor...
 
http://www.keloland.com/News/NewsDetail6371.cfm?Id=0,50807

Pilots have to go through metal detectors and preflight screening, just like everyone else. But Jason Boer says pilots should be held under more scrutiny. And he wouldn't mind if pilots had to take a Breathalyzer Test before entering the cockpit.

"Other than making them blow into a thing, how would you find out?" he wonders.
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Oh boy, I can't wait for that...
 
Wow Skywest is a great regional, their pilots actually get the chance to get loaded where as some other regionals require their pilots to sleep standing at layovers.
 
rickair7777 said:
I really, really hope this is flamebait. Naturally the TSA m*therf%&*&s would want to have priority right below an FAA inspecctor...
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No, it's not flamebait. Within a year after they were formed they tried to get jumpseat access. In fact, it was when they were still allowing NO pilots, even from their own airlines to have actual jumpseat access. They figured that since the jumpseat was ALWAYS available, they would have it made.
 
I thought it was a crime for any one to board an airplane drunk...so why can't the TSA pick drunk passengers out too. I'm not saying that pilots should be left alone if they are thought to be drunk but seriously why not passengers too?
 
Just a thought here........Nowhere in the article did it say he failed a sobreity test or mention the results of a BAC test. You guys are blaming TSA for railroading pilots but you are doing a good job of it yourselves. Why not wait until something official is posted before tearing the guy up?
 
miles otoole said:
Railroaded? Exactly. They railroaded the rest of us professional pilots by showing up to work after an all night bender. My guess is that they are currently taking the old number 9 freight train up the caboose. "Unfortunately", they will end up getting out of the can having to wear depends for the rest of their lives while being allowed to drive a school bus. dang liberal laws.
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Nope... No school bus for them. Can't get hired with a felony conviction. Life is not going to be kind to those guys when they get out of the pokey.
 
I am going to take a spritzer of rum with me and spray myself just before going threw security. Screw them. They need to be looking for Mahamad Al Jackmeoff, not the sobriety police. It is your responsibility not to show up to work drunk, Stupid. Stupid, Stupid
 
Hmmm,
The original poster posts "not again..."?

Can we believe that people use alcohol? How about abuse alcohol? How about being addicted to alcohol?

If one is addicted, they will bend the rules to use it. The only way people get a chance to face their drinking problem is to have consequences. Sometimes that involves a 3rd party saying - hey you can't be here at this time, while you have have been drinking.

IF this pilot has been confirmed of showing up with alcohol in his/her system, then they should face appropriate consequences.

However, will this happen again and again? Well, if only we could crack the code on addiction. For those who don't have drinking problems, this seems oh so easy.
 
Guys and gals that don't drink on overnights, that normally might at home seem to be a bit conservative. It is possible to have a drink or two on an overnight, and with proper rest (time), have it COMPLETELY out of your system prior to a showtime. To suggest that your body has a memory effect of alcohol, or that some aura is present suggesting you once had alcohol and you might still be impaired well after a time that dissiaptes the effects (cognitive and physiological), is simply silly. That approach is akin to a management kneejerk reaction to small items--make a big stance for a small problem, or one that isn't at all, but giving window dressing to it. Do what you like, but for valid reasons...

...if you're paranoid about getting caught 13 hrs after drinking two drinks, say so--it has nothing to do with the physical effects of alcohol, however.
 
man....i picked the wrong week to quit sniffin glue
 

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