No Teamsters at Flexjet!

[hydrarkt]

It's actually going to be interesting to watch. It will be the example of what happens when you eliminate the Union. I figure it's like the Titanic. No big deal in the beginning. Then the water starts seeping in... more, more, more... then everyone realizes they're in trouble... then everyone, realizing that bailing is futile, heads for the lifeboats, only to find there aren't enough lifeboats for everyone. Then the whole things goes down like a rock.

The difference here is that the Titanic Captain didn't drive into the iceberg intentionally.

 

[FracMonkey]

You guys sound like a bunch of f*kin kindergartners. "Ohhhhh, you're in trouble!"

All of you who insinuate that FLOPS/Flex pilots might as well not even apply for airline jobs and instead go to work at Home Depot are everything that was wrong with the union in the first place. The union used fear and intimidation to try to stay in power. They ran a p*ss poor campaign based on what the pilot group stood to lose if they were voted out instead of running a campaign based on what they could deliver. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. All they had to do was look at the last presidential election to see what people want. People want hope, not threats of hopelessness and those of you who continue the mantra of hopelessness simply reinforce the reason that the union lost.

You want to know the real reason the union lost? The Teamsters abandoned the pilots of FLOPS/Flex. It's that simple and heres why.

The teamsters are a business, and just like any other business they periodically look at each of their units and consider whether each one is a net asset or a net liability. One little tiny unit (the 1108) was costing them a small fortune to support and eventually they looked at that and had to decide to either fish or cut bait. Their decision was obvious to anyone who was paying attention.

Why do I say this? It's really quite simple. During this campaign we saw letters of support from ALPA, APA, SWAPA, NJASAP, and NFLPA. All of the heavy hitters in the industry came out in support of organized labor and NFLPA was forced to throw their support behind the 1108 after a former player performed in one of NN's desert videos. Who didn't we hear from? We didn't hear a peep out of the Teamsters Airline Division or Teamsters international. The sad truth is that the very organization that purported to represent you, failed you because you were costing them too much money.

So to those of you who stand and point at me and all of the other pilots at FLOPS/Flex and scream "Ohhhhh, you're in trouble!" I say "P*SS OFF!"

The pilots didn't fail the union, the union failed the pilots.

 

[GE6108A]

Frac,
You are correct on a few points, but your blame is slightly misplaced. First, history is going to repeat itself which is why the industry is largely mocking you guys. We have already seen the Ricci show at Travel Air/Flight Options before and we know how it ends. The majority of his employees will not be "winning". He is a great salesman, a profound narcissist and a staggering liar.
1108 made a lot of missteps and they were outgunned. Ricci threw everything at them but the kitchen sink and you conveniently forget, it probably cost Ricci more to pursue than it did the IBT to defend. Imagine if he actually used that money responsibly and maybe paid you guys or bought more airplanes. The numbers don't match his assertion that you are growing. You aren't.
You all miss a simple concept, in that unity provides strength. You are your own worst enemy. You provided no leverage for your negotiators and Ricci exploited you. Yet you blame this third party, the Union. You fundamentally don't get that you are the union and you had some control over your future if you had just taken the time to learn how to be a unionized pilot. At some point, you guys are going to figure this out and you'll have no one to blame but yourself. The ENTIRE industry told you not to do this but you think you are smarter than the rest of us. You guys aren't the highest paid and you never will be. You just made sure of that.

 

[squawk]

You guys sound like a bunch of f*kin kindergartners. "Ohhhhh, you're in trouble!"

All of you who insinuate that FLOPS/Flex pilots might as well not even apply for airline jobs and instead go to work at Home Depot are everything that was wrong with the union in the first place. The union used fear and intimidation to try to stay in power. They ran a p*ss poor campaign based on what the pilot group stood to lose if they were voted out instead of running a campaign based on what they could deliver. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. All they had to do was look at the last presidential election to see what people want. People want hope, not threats of hopelessness and those of you who continue the mantra of hopelessness simply reinforce the reason that the union lost.

You want to know the real reason the union lost? The Teamsters abandoned the pilots of FLOPS/Flex. It's that simple and heres why.

The teamsters are a business, and just like any other business they periodically look at each of their units and consider whether each one is a net asset or a net liability. One little tiny unit (the 1108) was costing them a small fortune to support and eventually they looked at that and had to decide to either fish or cut bait. Their decision was obvious to anyone who was paying attention.

Why do I say this? It's really quite simple. During this campaign we saw letters of support from ALPA, APA, SWAPA, NJASAP, and NFLPA. All of the heavy hitters in the industry came out in support of organized labor and NFLPA was forced to throw their support behind the 1108 after a former player performed in one of NN's desert videos. Who didn't we hear from? We didn't hear a peep out of the Teamsters Airline Division or Teamsters international. The sad truth is that the very organization that purported to represent you, failed you because you were costing them too much money.

So to those of you who stand and point at me and all of the other pilots at FLOPS/Flex and scream "Ohhhhh, you're in trouble!" I say "P*SS OFF!"

The pilots didn't fail the union, the union failed the pilots.

Real Flexjet pilots and many FLOPS transfers never wanted this union. The IBT attempted to organized years ago and it failed. By such a narrow margin on the vote, it really never got a footing and never represented Flexjet. They chose to take a crap contract and force us to work under it. We weren’t paying dues and never would even if this vote turned out differently. How is that going to work?

Nobody called us scabs when when we decided not to vote in the IBT before. We operated peacefully for 20 years without a union. So, WE conformed to all labor laws and petitioned the NMB and lawfully, democratically chose to eliminate an unworthy union. That’s how it works in America. The IBT got a no confidence vote 5x5.

You sore losers who want to improperly invoke the scab label, come out from your anonymity in here and say it to our faces on the line and see how that works for you. Otherwise, go into your Flightinfo preferences and change your ID to chicken****.

 

[Seahawk]

:crying:These Union minions on here are proof that some men are inferior, endowed by their Maker with dim wits, impermeable to reason, with cold, pallid slime in their veins instead of hot red blood! They are more reptile than man, So low and flat, that the foot of man is incapable of crushing them!

 

[DirtyBeech]

So expand upon the union accepting a crap contract. No really. I’d love to hear this.

Consistently wrong, but never in doubt is a poor way to go through life.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Real Flexjet pilots and many FLOPS transfers never wanted this union. The IBT attempted to organized years ago and it failed. By such a narrow margin on the vote, it really never got a footing and never represented Flexjet. They chose to take a crap contract and force us to work under it. We weren’t paying dues and never would even if this vote turned out differently. How is that going to work?

Nobody called us scabs when when we decided not to vote in the IBT before. We operated peacefully for 20 years without a union. So, WE conformed to all labor laws and petitioned the NMB and lawfully, democratically chose to eliminate an unworthy union. That’s how it works in America. The IBT got a no confidence vote 5x5.

You sore losers who want to improperly invoke the scab label, come out from your anonymity in here and say it to our faces on the line and see how that works for you. Otherwise, go into your Flightinfo preferences and change your ID to chicken****.

You of all people should learn to shut your ****ing mouth. Humility might just be the only thing you have in your arsenal to save your certificate. Be grateful the people with all the proof needed to bust your ass with the FAA aren't as hell bent on retribution as you seem to be hell bent on excusing your narcissism, stupidity and deception. You're not a good person and you know it. You do a good job of playing both ends against the middle but the problem for you and people like you is now everyone knows exactly what kind of person you really are.

Enjoy that taste in your mouth. You certainly earned it. It's not quite the essence of that deep cabernet you were expecting, huh?

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

He sure had me fooled. Not any more.

 

[FracMonkey]

You of all people should learn to shut your ****ing mouth. Humility might just be the only thing you have in your arsenal to save your certificate. Be grateful the people with all the proof needed to bust your ass with the FAA aren't as hell bent on retribution as you seem to be hell bent on excusing your narcissism, stupidity and deception. You're not a good person and you know it. You do a good job of playing both ends against the middle but the problem for you and people like you is now everyone knows exactly what kind of person you really are.

Enjoy that taste in your mouth. You certainly earned it. It's not quite the essence of that deep cabernet you were expecting, huh?

Wow.........kinda speechless over here. And that doesn’t happen often....

 

[EngineThunder]

Be grateful the people with all the proof needed to bust your ass with the FAA aren't as hell bent on retribution as you seem to be hell bent on excusing your narcissism, stupidity and deception.

One of them may be becoming hell bent very soon. This could get interesting.