No pressure fatigue calls?

[CFI2766]

This is a slippery slope that can create a bad situation for the pilot group with either company direction on fatigue.

If the company is unreasonable in its attempts to prevent people from calling in fatigued, it will pressure pilots to fly who should not be flying. If the company is completely hands-off in its approach to fatigue calls, as in 'anything' goes and a pilot can always call in fatigued for any reason at any time with pay and no occurence, there will be mass abuse of the fatigue system. With mass abuse of the fatigue system, the company will not be able to be competitive with peer group airlines, but more immediately, the pilot group will be hit with mass extensions and junior manning.

My middle ground solution to this problem would include no occurence for fatigue calls, but a joint company and ALPA committe, possibly in conjunction with ASAP, would retain discretion on pay. If you were fatigued due to circumstances beyond your control, you get paid. If you were out late boozin' it up, nada.

 

[rfa]

Tell the Chief Pilot you're calling the FAA in the morning.

There you go

 

[SLUF4]

If we are true professionals here like I was told in the other thread there should be no mass abuse of the fatigue call system. We should have enough integrity to only use that as it was intended.

 

[777forever]

Eat healthy, lots of fruits, never skip breakfast, and always have a 5hr energy avail.

 

[buscap]

My middle ground solution to this problem would include no occurence for fatigue calls, but a joint company and ALPA committe, possibly in conjunction with ASAP, would retain discretion on pay. If you were fatigued due to circumstances beyond your control, you get paid. If you were out late boozin' it up, nada.

Not a good idea to involve ASAP. ASAP is usually the first casualty when labor/management relations get tense. No sense hastening that process by involving ASAP in pay issues.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

This is bogus. Our chief pilots aren't board certified in internal medicine, psychiatry, mental health, or any other field. Yet they will determine if our calling out fatigue is legitimate, therefore you will/will not get paid. This form is entirely a signed confession that the company will use against you when it can. You can bet your rear end if you ever do it more than once you will see a doctor.

This link has the contact info for the ATL FSDO:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/atl/contact/

This is the major paper in Atlanta's contact information:
http://projects.ajc.com/customercare/contactus/

This should be interesting to watch...

 

[CFI2766]

Not a good idea to involve ASAP. ASAP is usually the first casualty when labor/management relations get tense. No sense hastening that process by involving ASAP in pay issues.

If not ASAP, some situation where ALPA has a voice.


I think that with Delta's focus on ASAP, FOQA, and others, the ASAP program will not be going away. If the company were to jettison ASAP, Delta would be on the phone immediately. Not going to happen.

 

[CFI2766]

Eat healthy, lots of fruits, never skip breakfast, and always have a 5hr energy avail.

Note that addiction to any substance, including caffeine, is grounds for losing a medical.

IMHO, however, I should not need a '5hr energy' to safely fly an airplane carrying 53 people.

 

[Freebrd]

Eat healthy, lots of fruits, never skip breakfast, and always have a 5hr energy avail.

words of wisdom from mister perfecto, f*k it, call the feds

 

[sayrejm]

What happens if you do not fill out the form?

 

[LazyLightnin']

What happens if you do not fill out the form?

Are you satisfied with that question, Sayre?

 

[Flybywire44]

I called in fatigued and they gave me a 19A hearing. I was genuinely fatigued. The CPO has no clue what they're doing. If you're brought in for a 19a prepare for mind games, insinuations that you're dishonest and intimidation. A 19A 'fact finding' has nothing to do with the facts of why you called in fatigued.

I can tell you that RC has multiple personalities or wild blood sugar and you're best avoiding him; he has no clue whats its like being a line pilot who manages fatigue.

Pilots better off calling in sick when they're fatigued. The process is easier and you're sure to get paid.

 

[sayrejm]

Wow. Remind me to never call in fatigued no matter how tired I am. That sounds very intimidating.
I just thought of the perfect news guy on tv to do a special investigation into pilot fatigue: Geraldo! Haha.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

My friends still at ASA tell me that ASA just put out some of the worst lines ever, that they are basically maxed out next month, and also the company put out a letter saying you'll fly it and like it.

Now they "update" their fatigue policy, and hide it behind the Safety Officer/former base chef pilot? And KS still gets to determine pay? Does anyone else see the irony here? They know they screwed themselves next month, and are turning up the intimidation in advance.

Where is your union?

 

[SLUF4]

Well, to be fair; the fatigue policy has been slated for update for a while now.