No pressure fatigue calls?

[sayrejm]

I began to notice fatigue once half way back on the last flight of a looong day on our last of a 4 day. Enroute we were talking about how tired we were starting to feel and how long a day it had been. I was PF... night visual into atlanta... took over the radios after taxiing off and realized we were still on approach... neither of us caught it. Fatigue was definitely one of the factors. Lucky it was only a small problem. I am sure many of you have experienced far worse. But in this case we didn't even key in on it until mid flight.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I agree that the company wants to avoid something as devastating to the bank account as a crash. At the same time, the company wants the flight completed. We've all been in a situation where we were just fatigued enough to successfully complete a flight and at the same time narrowly avoid a major violation.

The company has no right to tell me when to put my career on the line. And the fact that they care about fatigue, as we do, is merely coincidental.

It's all about $$$ for them. You have to watch out for #1.

So which is it Lazylighnin....? Do they want a dangerous situation regarding fatigue or don't they? Me thinks you are trying to milk this like your screen name...."LAZY"..... An accident is good for me or the company....I don't fly when I am fatigued and the company doesn't want me to either....Some of you whiny girls don't understand what true "fatique" is. I and others are getting tired of your constant whining.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

I began to notice fatigue once half way back on the last flight of a looong day on our last of a 4 day. Enroute we were talking about how tired we were starting to feel and how long a day it had been. I was PF... night visual into atlanta... took over the radios after taxiing off and realized we were still on approach... neither of us caught it. Fatigue was definitely one of the factors. Lucky it was only a small problem. I am sure many of you have experienced far worse. But in this case we didn't even key in on it until mid flight.

You better just bypass the recall then....wouldn't want you to miss out on your rest.....

 

[LazyLightnin']

So which is it Lazylighnin....? Do they want a dangerous situation regarding fatigue or don't they? Me thinks you are trying to milk this like your screen name...."LAZY"..... An accident is good for me or the company....I don't fly when I am fatigued and the company doesn't want me to either....Some of you whiny girls don't understand what true "fatique" is. I and others are getting tired of your constant whining.....

What are you Jar Jar Binks? What's up with this "me thinks" jargon?

Personally have never thrown the "fatigue" flag to get out of a flight, JoeMerchant, but how is intimidating pilots (which the CP's and this form do) to operate flights after they have admitted to being fatigued not a safety issue? For whatever reason they may be fatigued.

 

[JoeMerchant]

What are you Jar Jar Binks? What's up with this "me thinks" jargon?

Personally have never thrown the "fatigue" flag to get out of a flight, JoeMerchant, but how is intimidating pilots (which the CP's and this form do) to operate flights after they have admitted to being fatigued not a safety issue? For whatever reason they may be fatigued.

So no harm if you decide to stay out late and have a few instead of getting some rest? So no harm if you decide to commute in on an early flight instead of coming the night before to get rest? So no harm if you choose to stay in the crew lounge instead of getting a hotel or a crash pad?

I have used fatigue before, and have never had a problem....If it is legit, it will be OK...If it isn't, then you should be concerned.....

Some of you should go find a nice 9 to 5 job since you seem to not want to deal with what happens in this job....

 

[BOX OFFICE]

JB sure is a whole lot tougher behind a computer screen than he is in person, lol... another internet tough guy. He'd never speak to someone like that in the crew lounge and everyone knows it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

JB sure is a whole lot tougher behind a computer screen than he is in person, lol... another internet tough guy. He'd never speak to someone like that in the crew lounge and everyone knows it.

I'm not hiding behind a screen name....Everyone knows who I am...I say the same thing in person as I do here. Come on WF, you know better....

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I'm not hiding behind a screen name....Everyone knows who I am...I say the same thing in person as I do here. Come on WF, you know better....

Please, John. WF? Really? You know who I am, because we had this conversation, so what's up with dragging WF into it? You're so pathetic. Everyone at ASA hates you... maybe you should quit. I'm sorry you screwed up your life so much that you didn't even bother applying at Delta. Some of us moved on. Don't be hatin'.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Please, John. WF? Really? You know who I am, because we had this conversation, so what's up with dragging WF into it? You're so pathetic. Everyone at ASA hates you... maybe you should quit. I'm sorry you screwed up your life so much that you didn't even bother applying at Delta. Some of us moved on. Don't be hatin'.

OK WF....why would I quit...I'm happy here. It's some of you that don't sound too happy and should probably quit. I'm not moving on....just wish some who aren't happy would....

 

[LazyLightnin']

So no harm if you decide to stay out late and have a few instead of getting some rest? So no harm if you decide to commute in on an early flight instead of coming the night before to get rest? So no harm if you choose to stay in the crew lounge instead of getting a hotel or a crash pad?

I have used fatigue before, and have never had a problem....If it is legit, it will be OK...If it isn't, then you should be concerned.....

Some of you should go find a nice 9 to 5 job since you seem to not want to deal with what happens in this job....

If the reasons you listed are really the reasons for the onslaught of fatigue calls recently, then no. It's not all right. But we all know that the word "fatigue" has only just now surfaced because the company decided to push the limits of the pilot group.

So no, I don't have sympathy for ASA and it's management. They are acting as if their actions haven't directly had an impact on these fatigue calls.

Sure a few bad apples will slip threw the cracks and every once in a while try to milk the system by screaming "fatigued", but slipping through the cracks is the same way people like Linda W got hired. It's gonna happen, but it's seldom. Get over it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

If the reasons you listed are really the reasons for the onslaught of fatigue calls recently, then no. It's not all right. But we all know that the word "fatigue" has only just now surfaced because the company decided to push the limits of the pilot group.

So no, I don't have sympathy for ASA and it's management. They are acting as if their actions haven't directly had an impact on these fatigue calls.

So you are saying the company doesn't care if it causes a pilot fatigued accident.....That goes against what you said earlier....Which is it?

If you are fatigued, you will be OK. Act professionally, and you will be OK. ASA management is better than it was in the past, and it is better than the other regional managements. I guess you would rather have Mesa, CHQ, Trans States, or Eagle management....

 

[LazyLightnin']

So you are saying the company doesn't care if it causes a pilot fatigued accident.....That goes against what you said earlier....Which is it?

If you are fatigued, you will be OK. Act professionally, and you will be OK. ASA management is better than it was in the past, and it is better than the other regional managements. I guess you would rather have Mesa, CHQ, Trans States, or Eagle management....

If they cared more about preventing the fatigue calls than policing them, they would staff us accordingly. This issue was not even a topic 8 months ago when pilots weren't getting extended and repeatedly overworked.

Of course, with your seniority, you're in left field as far as these issues are concerned. Although, seeing as you probably are toting an AARP card, left field is probably your general state of mind.

 

[JoeMerchant]

If they cared more about preventing the fatigue calls than policing them, they would staff us accordingly. This issue was not even a topic 8 months ago when pilots weren't getting extended and repeatedly overworked.

Of course, with your seniority, you're in left field as far as these issues are concerned. Although, seeing as you probably are toting an AARP card, left field is probably your general state of mind.

So you are saying they don't mind an accident....Got it....You are an idiot.....If you don't like reserve, then you better hope we grow.....If you want us to grow, then you better quit crying like a baby....Your choice.....

 

[LazyLightnin']

So you are saying they don't mind an accident....Got it....You are an idiot.....If you don't like reserve, then you better hope we grow.....If you want us to grow, then you better quit crying like a baby....Your choice.....

Right...

 

[buscap]

You guys are embarrassing yourselves.