NO please at Tranny!!

[easydoesit]

I will tell everyone right now that if this thing gets voted in, I am outta here. I have been here for six months and I guarantee there will be an exodus of newly hired FO's if this thing goes. They are already having a hard time getting highly qualified people. I have been told firsthand that not too many people are interested in AirTran at Airinc conferences.

I came here thinking this was a better place, with some good morale. It's on the verge of going down the tubes. On the other hand, if we get some good leaders in there, it could go the other way.

I'm Praying...

 

[gt1900]

I agree.... And for the Captains who are thinking about voting on this thing... What kind of FO's do you want at Airtran. Do you want to fly with good FO's or do you want to fly with the guys who couldn't get hired anywhere else.. If this thing goes through, thats whats gonna happen. Upgrade times are going up and it no longer makes sense to come to Airtran with the idea your only gonna sit in the right seat for only 2 or 3 years. I'm sick of AP chitting on the FO's... Please, please, please vote this thing down. Until the FO wages come up to industry standard, please, remember the little guys....

 

[labatt]

Ta

Let's at least look at the damn thing first (TA). You've only been here six months. If you think we are going down the tubes, you should have seen in when we were going down the tubes . Morale really isn't that bad and we are finally showing a little unity.

Sure we will lose a few guys, but it's just not that easy to get hired at the few places where it is better. I am voting no, but I'll read the TA and go to a roadshow or two with an open mind. I think the senior guys will vote for it and it will be up to the FO's to shoot it down. Surprisingly, in the past, we have had weak voter turnout. Hopefully that won't be the case with this one.

I'll predict a 53-47 pass with AP and MS thrown out. With the weak language, section 5, scope, and a possible merger down the road......God help us.

You Measba guys crack me up.

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

I always say no to trannies.

 

[Sandhawk]

I always say no to trannies.

You should definately stay away from Thardy!



HaHaHaHa

 

[Ty Webb]

Let's at least look at the damn thing first (TA). You've only been here six months. If you think we are going down the tubes, you should have seen in when we were going down the tubes . Morale really isn't that bad and we are finally showing a little unity.


I'll predict a 53-47 pass with AP and MS thrown out. With the weak language, section 5, scope, and a possible merger down the road......God help us.

You Measba guys crack me up.

I'm predicting more like a 70/30 slam-down, with Clinton and Carter being ejected as well. Management has overplayed their hand, and pissed off even the scabs and the "just glad to have a job" types. Once the latter discover they still have some nuts, they may feel rejuvenated and inclined to use them . . .

 

[gt1900]

Labatt... What do you need to see? We have seen the first TA, then, they showed us the changes from that after they pulled it.. Now, theyve gotten ridd of cor block, 4 1/2 hrs and it sounds like were gonna get a little bonus.. WTF over... Our union is fighting to get back the Core Block and 4 1/2 hrs average.. Hell, those aren't even things on the current contract. Plus, they are gonna take away a little bit of the originally proposed hourly rate... Our FO hourly rate will be so low below industry average its not even funny... Plus, with upgrades shooting way up and all the other airlines hiring cranking up, what will be the point of a well qualified pilot coming to AirTran? Hell, id be happy with 90% of industry average for FO's, but this thing isn't even close.... You talk about unity, well, its time for the captains to get unified with the FO's and not sell them out.. For FO's, there is a ton of places that are better.. AAI's upgrade is going to hit 5 or 6 years for the guys who got hired in the last year.... With this proposed contract youd be stupid to come to AAI.. Hell, id go next door to DAL where im gonna make more as a second year FO than an AAI 3rd year FO... Oh ya, but your gonna make captain at AAI right.. Well, by year 5 and 6 at DAL your gonna be at least a 767 FO making $108 and $111/hr.... 777 FO is $114 and $117.. Plus $hr for International pay... There is absolutly no reason a person would choose AAI over DAL, and that hasn't been the case with AAI's fast upgrades.. With those slowing, AAI will only be able to recruit Flight Instructors.... This is a comletly slap in the face to the AAI FO's... SO, lets see some unity and vote this thing down, for the fo's sake...

 

[gt1900]

The repercutions of this TA will be huge.. FO's will come to AAI for 6 months to a year and then go to the greener pastures of DAL, SWA, CAL, and UAL (can't believe I even said that one). FO attrition will be huge, kinda like the good old days of AAI. And trust me, it will happen. This TA has nothing to offer FO's without a quick upgrade.. And that is going away.. These FO rates won't affect me much, I should hold upgrade in a couple months, but for our future pilots, and our company, its time to stand strong..

 

[easydoesit]

This is a profitable company and I'm sick and tired of people giving crap away because of fear. We deserve a good contract to be proud of and nothing else.

 

[ASA]

Don't mess with AAI Management. Joe Leonard has killed 273 in the past and will not hesitate to take out any dissenters. Vote YES, or you may find yourself in a left steep bank with an engine missing.

MOD INPUT: SIMMER DOWN CACTUS, WE DON'T NEED TO NAME NAMES OR ANY INADVERTANT THREATS. THIS IS YOUR WARNING!

 

[easydoesit]

And BTW labatt, I am happy for you that you have had the opportunity to ride a great wave. I am still trying to catch one. If us Mesaba guys are cracking you up, you AirTran guys are even funnier; paying more dues than anyone and getting nothing in return. Like I said before, we work for a profitable company so why are we even considering a concessionary contract?

If you already know you are voting no, why are you keeping and open mind? Have not you seen enough? Grow some nads dude...

 

[TAWS]

Don't mess with AAI Management. Joe Leonard has killed 273 in the past and will not hesitate to take out any dissenters. Vote YES, or you may find yourself in a left steep bank with an engine missing.

Wasn't he called "Forklift Joe"? Heard from an AA maintenance guy that he insisted they use a forklift to position engines on the pylons. Any truth to that?

 

[LearLove]

Wasn't he called "Forklift Joe"? Heard from an AA maintenance guy that he insisted they use a forklift to position engines on the pylons. Any truth to that?

yes, but there is alot more to it. the discovery or history channel had a great show on that accident years ago - showed the cover-up very well. some people should be in jail.

Note - no offence twards any airtran guy with the above post.

airtran guys - whats the TA say about scope? please please don't allow someone to fly 70 to 100 seaters for you. Actually don't allow any flying to be contracted out no matter what size or type of powerplant.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Don't mess with AAI Management. Joe Leonard has killed 273 in the past and will not hesitate to take out any dissenters. Vote YES, or you may find yourself in a left steep bank with an engine missing.

Amen to that.

"Forklift" Joe Leonard.

 

[SkiFishFly]

Hey guys that want to slam Joe - start your own damn thread.

Now back to TA number 3. Don't just focus on pay rates.
- The reserve rules are still crap. They need to go back to current book.
- the scope is still waaaay too loose. It needs to go back to current book.
- We still lost door close. We need that back.

I am sure there are other items still in there that are concessions - I just remember these big 3.
On a positive note - I spoke with 2 Captains yesterday who both felt this thing is still a big steaming pile of crap. They are firmly in the no concessions column.
Anyone else notice that each time the company hears that there is going to be a no vote, we get called back to the table and they give back a little more. We need to just be patient, remain unified and make sure everyone knows that the vote is still

NO​

 

[scrub]

Wasn't he called "Forklift Joe"? Heard from an AA maintenance guy that he insisted they use a forklift to position engines on the pylons. Any truth to that?

Same procedure was used at CAL and UAL with approval of the FAA and Macdonald Douglas...

 

[LearLove]

Same procedure was used at CAL and UAL with approval of the FAA and Macdonald Douglas...

yeah but CAL and UAL didn't let the engine sit on the forklift (which had a hyd leak) durring a shift change as to let engine bend the mount.

I don't think MacD approved it, infact I'm pretty sure MacD engineers said no but it was overruled by the bean counters in an attempt to sell sell sell airframes. you know that pesky support equipment just adds to the cost of the new jet.

 

[DairyAir]

So Joe L was the mechanic who left the engine supported by the forklift? I had no idea.

 

[PCL_128]

yeah but CAL and UAL didn't let the engine sit on the forklift (which had a hyd leak) durring a shift change as to let engine bend the mount.

And neither did Joe. I'm not usually the kind of guy that likes to defend management, but Joe's gotten a bad rap for this incident. Every operator of the -10 was using the exact same "forklift" procedure. Do you think Joe was standing around the hanger floor and watching as the shift change occurred with the engine resting on the forklift? Give me a break. Joe's caught heat for something that was an industry-standard practice. He was just the unlucky manager that ended up having the practice result in an accident. The real blame for these sorts of incidents rests with an FAA that is more focused on the airlines' bottom lines than safety.

 

[contrail67]

This is a profitable company and I'm sick and tired of people giving crap away because of fear. We deserve a good contract to be proud of and nothing else.

Similar thing you went through at XJ?...sorry to hear you have to go through it again...best of luck.