Ohgoon,
So you don't get confused, or irate, my comments embedded in your quote are red simply for contrast.
"Our little tax revolt"?
Perhaps you might want to revisit your history and civics classes. That little tax revolt you referred to was a little bit more than that. It was one people divorcing themselves from another because they didn't like the way the goverment functioned. And then forming a new country. And then fighting a multi-year war, at great cost, to ensure its survival. And then creating a new constitution specifically refuting the old way, and specifically limiting the power of the federal government: all powers not SPECIFICALLY granted in the Constitution to the federal government are reserved to the states, and to the people.
Minimizing such a historically significant event because it doesn't fit your point of view, and dismissing the Constitution because it is actually counter to your desire for one central world government, is NOT an actual argument.
Do many Americans view Europe as its ancestral home? Sure we do, myself included. However, that does NOT make us "part of Europe" or a "logical extension and continuation of it." If we were, we'd still be part of the UK, call ourselves 'subjects' and swear allegiance to the Queen. As I said before, and then you pretended it didn't happen, we actually refuted all that so that we could be a different type of country.
And now I'm just a jingoist because I like the principles our country founded itself on, and want to see them preserved? And of course, you're the enlightened one because you want to take the the path of least resistance, and surrender our autonomy and independence to "Mother Europe" and the EU, so that we can be taken care of by the central government. I can see why you think yourself a centrist.
Bubba
Where do I start? So much misinformation in so few little words.
BTW in your earlier post. Not my Quote! Maybe made by someone else who argues my point of view, but this was not made by me.
a)Oh so my grandfather who is of Polish, German ancestry fought in WWII because he only saw England as his ancestral home? He's still around, wanna guess what his response to this will be? You are so confused.
b)Socialism is a part of that progression I listed, it's not the big bad pooh bah you are so scared of. Soviet Style Communism is not socialism! It was totalitarianism that misappropriated some of Karl Marx's socialistic ideas. Ever actually read any of his writings? Did you know that Karl Marx was all about freedom? Freedom from being enslaved by the industrial revolution. Freedom to be able to just go to your local church on Sundays to worship without the fear of getting fired from your job.
c)You never said the US culture was superior moral or otherwise... You didn't have to. It's so implied in the social political discourse in our country today that it is just accepted as a truth. So no you didn't say it, but you are really going to stand here and tell me that you don't feel that way? Please...
d)No, I don't think it's going to be like the Mayan thing at all. This time it will have profound effects on your's and mine lifestyles for generations to come. No amount of sticking your pretty little conservative heads into the sand will prevent it.
e) And now to the whopper of them all. "We are so different" "We are better than they are".... This attitude you display here is precisely why the rest of the world laughs at us more and more each day. I have news for you. WE ARE AN EXTENSION OF EUROPE. I never said we are still a colony, but we are another step in the progression and evolution of how an educated (hope lives eternal) population attempts to govern itself.
You don't even know your own history about how the Constitution came about, and you sit here telling me about it. Let me help you. The first body of government our white European Founding Fathers dreamed up was called the Continental Congress. It was all about States rights and had no central Federal component to it. It failed badly mostly because whatever it tried to do, it did not have its own funds to do it with. (No powers of taxation)
So after watching this mess and realizing how vulnerable they were to England re invading their colony to restore order, the Founding Fathers reconvened again and wrote the Constitution as we know it today. It, for the first time established a centralized form of governance. It established the idea that Federal law superceeds state law. It established a leader (President) who could command an army etc. It also allowed for direct taxation of the population so it could have an independent treasury that could enforce it's new laws and decrees.
So the Constitution was created not to limit Federal Power but rather it created Federal Power in the first place. It's just amazing how many of you right wingers keep quoting the Constitution without ever actually understanding what that Document actually does and does not do. Let me say it again.
The Constitution was not created to limit Federal Power, it created it.
As far as my desires for a one world government or whatever you are trying to imply here. It's just so much nonsense... Please where in my posts have I pleaded for that?
The really ironic thing is that this paranoid conspiratorial worldview may actually have some merit insofar as that most things in our present time are being controlled by major corporations who are worldwide, have no popularly elected officers and are basically under the control of only a few very economically powerful people who really answer to no one but themselves. This is what you weenies love to call the "free market" So in some bizarre way, your blindness is actually contributing to your worst nightmare!
