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[El Chupacabra]

I have already told you what needs to be done. Raise management fees and pay the pilots.

Do I need to move to CMH and take a managers job to get that done?

Oh... and don't sell airplanes that you can't get on the property fast enough. And don't sell off core fleets.

Oh... and stop using Citation X's to back up G-IV/V flights. Don't you know NJI and NJA are separate companys? We have our own owners we need to fly.

 

[Some Dude]

Family Guy I just don't like you. Why would anyone want to get into management here? Heck the leaders change every two years so why work for a boss that won't be here later? Why be a manager and have your department turned upside down with a new president every two years?

I would never work in management here. I wouldn't want to work with idiots and persons that lie to each other and the pilots. The flight department positions are filled with alcoholics, persons who have sexual misconduct charges against them, persons who falsified FAA documents, etc. That doesn't sound like a group I would want to work with. We have a degenerate management team. There are a few good apples it's just too bad their talents are made to rot on the tree instead of being picked to serve.

 

[hydrarkt]

hydra - this supports my point. If you have all the solutions then become the managers and fix the problem. Dont sit back and just b!tch about it.

Why on Earth would we want to become managers with NutJets?? To try to fix problems? That wouldn't help. You know damn well that the bureaucracy there is terrible. Nothing significant ever gets done because of all the territorial infighting that is prevalent there. We have come up with many ideas to try to help. It is the manager's job to implement those ideas if it will help.

 

[Schrode]

I have already told you what needs to be done. Raise management fees and pay the pilots.

Sad part is . . . management DOES raise the management fee on the aircraft. I believe it is 3% minimum each year. In 2000, management contacted the owners advising them the current contract with the pilots was soon to be amended and the management fee would need to have an addional increase to fund the increased pilot wages, they raised the management fee an addional % (don't know what it was) that year and on new contracts. They got their money . . . and spent it on a HPN facility and NetJets Europe. You know, cause the pilots need to work more, if they want more pay.

 

[flyjetspeed]

Oh... and stop using Citation X's to back up G-IV/V flights. Don't you know NJI and NJA are separate companys? We have our own owners we need to fly.

WHAT? The GIV/V's have been bailing the X's out since they got here. Almost half the trips on the IV are CX rescue's and a bunch on the V, NOT the other way around. The owners get their airplane or better!

 

[Some Dude]

Flyjetspeed. How can that be? NJA, NJI, NJM, NJE, are all separated companies! Isn't that what Shamtulli says? Another kink in the chain. I can't wait for that single carrier suit.

 

[El Chupacabra]

yeah just one big happy single carrier.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Yeah....and I have 100% proof we are different companies just like Shamtulli promised....our ties are yellow.....theirs aren't......Proof positive that NJA and nji are two, totally, unrelated, seperate company with absolutely no relationship.....just like Delta and United.....2 entirely different companies..........my A$$!!!!!!!!!

Bring on the Single Carrier Suit......It'll take a while but the G's will have yellow ties in the cockpit...like it or not.

 

[flyjetspeed]

Never gonna happen. The lawsuit will never be filed. If it is you will lose. Yes, we both get our pax trips from the same pool of owners, however that will not carry the suit. Believe me I would like nothing better than to fly only Gulfstream IV/V pax , that's not gonna happen either. You guys need to wake up and smell the coffee, Netjets Inc. is a COLLECTION of companies with ONLY one of them represented by a union. The combined remaining companies, NJI, EJM, NJE, NJME, NJR(ussia), NJ etc. etc. etc. are NOT union and probably never will be, and will soon be LARGER than little NJA. Go ahead and threaten a common carrier suit if it improves your position in negotiations, All's Fair in Love and War, I hope you get your payraise and fly from home and 7/7 accross the board and 7AM day one showtime, Scope? lemme think a minute...... NAAAHHHH

 

[Hogprint]

flyjetspeed posted:

NJI, EJM, NJE, NJME, NJR(ussia), NJ etc. etc. etc. are NOT union and probably never will be, and will soon be LARGER than little NJA.

Do you think this is the end game for Woodbridge and Omaha? Grow the non union entities larger than NJA, then let NJA rot on the vine?

It sounds plausible to me. I don't think they could do it in a reasonable time frame. Especially now that Marquis has taken off like it has. That is turning into its own little monster.

 

[niteflyr]

????????????

How are they going to make the others larger? Thats a lot of G-4's and G-5's to buy, and a lot higher salaries to pay which is what they are trying to avoid isn't it?? Or just start MANAGING a lot more airplanes to use to charter out on?

 

[flyjetspeed]

flyjetspeed posted:



Do you think this is the end game for Woodbridge and Omaha? Grow the non union entities larger than NJA, then let NJA rot on the vine?

It sounds plausible to me. I don't think they could do it in a reasonable time frame. Especially now that Marquis has taken off like it has. That is turning into its own little monster.

No sir, NOT the end game, NJA will always have what it has, and more! Why let a valuable company asset rot? Makes no sense from a business perspective. NJA is growing now, like crazy, so is NJI and NJE. I would very much like to see both return the startup costs to NJA for payraises for all of you and perhaps even us. YES you guy's deserve pay increases, bigtime!!! RTS said so himself. The process is for the Parent Company to propose a contract to the Union leadership and for a vote to be held. Elsewise I believe you all would have made ten's of thousands more income by now. How long has it been again? Give up the merge idea and take your money, run with it if you are not happy here. Stay, and watch NJ become the biggest thing in Aviation since the dawn of the Jet Age. It is time to quit this nonsense and get a TA done and put to a vote. Too much time , too much effort, too much acrimony, C'mon already get it done. Marquis will evolve in a direction that will tame the little monster and I agree it is getting out of hand. Perhaps a distinct Marquis fleet? Perhaps the whole thing on a card based system? Who knows? Way above my paygrade! Thanks for not flaming me I'm kinda new at this stuff.

 

[Hogprint]

flyjetspeed posted:

I would very much like to see both return the startup costs to NJA for payraises for all of you and perhaps even us.

This is one of our biggest gripes. Take care of the home team first, then go out and conquer the world! I could not agree more on this issue.

How long has it been again?

It has been 7 going on 8 yrs working on this contract. It has been 4 yrs overdue.

Give up the merge idea and take your money, run with it if you are not happy here.

I honestly don't know how this is going to play out.

Thanks for not flaming me I'm kinda new at this stuff.

I'd never flame a brother who flew OH-6s and CRANES!!!!

 

[flyjetspeed]

How are they going to make the others larger? Thats a lot of G-4's and G-5's to buy, and a lot higher salaries to pay which is what they are trying to avoid isn't it?? Or just start MANAGING a lot more airplanes to use to charter out on?

9+ G450/550's a year from here on out not counting NJE. The company pay's what it must pay to grow and retain people. This whole mess with IBT has devolved to the point that good people are not getting their fair share of the proceeds, this will be ending sooner than later...... I hope.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The process is for the Parent Company to propose a contract to the Union leadership and for a vote to be held.

Ummm. That's not collective bargaining. That's BOHICA.