NJVote 73%Yes 5%No 21% NoVote

[x402]

Hey Shovelhead

That's one PO'd pilot heard from, how do ya think he'd have voted?

??Shovelhead??

 

[FAcFriend]

We don't have a choice, "Bridgeway Bob" is our name for the ANONYMOUS memos being posted on another site. - X402

Don't put all your stock and trust in Bridgeway Bob and "Moisture" they will be gone one day soon. Some Dude

Gee, X402- I guess this is another pilot that didnt get your message.

And I think Crawdaddy was calling YOU shovelhead- He seems po'd at the fact he didnt get to vote-

 

[CRAWDADDY]

That's one PO'd pilot heard from, how do ya think he'd have voted?

??Shovelhead??

Sorry X402:

Should have been careful before calling you a shovelhead. That said, I know how I would have voted.

One of the 400, not by choice...

 

[Majik]

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beating my head against the wall. No more posts from me on fltinfo.

 

[Some Dude]

NJA owner, I'm not scared to lose my job if this place shuts down. I have other skills even if aviation didn't exist at all. If this NJA fails so be it I know that I can always find a new flying job. If I didn't have any skills at all I could still find a bartending job right now and make more money than I do at NJA. If a buisness fails then so be it. It is called capitalism. I will use my skills and my education to take care of myself and you will use your capital to purchase a new plane for yourself. It's not the end of the world.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The majority of votes not counted were due to bad addresses generated from the list passed on by the old 284 leadership and Local. Thanks to them again for taking care of us... schmucks. 1108 knows that around 1750 addresses are good and verified. About that many votes came back with a 93% vote in favor of shutting this pig off. I would bet that if the other 400 pilots were polled that the 93% number would rise to around 95% easily.


Every pilot needs to make sure that 1108 has your current contact information. Update this through the 1008 website. It is your responsibility. Do it today and maybe you won't miss out on a future election.

 

[FamilyGuy]

The majority of votes not counted were due to bad addresses generated from the list passed on by the old 284 leadership and Local. Thanks to them again for taking care of us... schmucks. 1108 knows that around 1750 addresses are good and verified. About that many votes came back with a 93% vote in favor of shutting this pig off. I would bet that if the other 400 pilots were polled that the 93% number would rise to around 95% easily.


Every pilot needs to make sure that 1108 has your current contact information. Update this through the 1008 website. It is your responsibility. Do it today and maybe you won't miss out on a future election.

Hang on a second....the old MEC has been gone for 9 months now and you still want to blame any problems on them?

I thought this new group was stellar....if that's true, then why cant they handle something as mundane as updating a mailing list when they had 9 months to do it?

Sounds to me like its new group, same problems....

If management offered up that explanation for a similar problem you'd be all over them screaming incompetence.....

 

[FamilyGuy]

I know I will get flamed ...


but with posts like "we will shut the place down", "it will go under", etc., just be carefull of what you wish for ... it may come true.

If NJA were to shut down, I have many other options (please remember most of my posts support the pilots before you flame me). If the place shuts down, I go somewhere else, or buy a plane with a few friends. Not as good as what I have at NJA, but it works. In fact, I have been looking at a few Falcon 50-EXs. Maybe I charter it out a bit and fly more myself for the same $ per year and a little more headache.

All I know is that if the fractional model falls apart, for whatever reason (1) I find some other way to fly, (2) WB and RTS and the other "Palace" executives find (they have golden, silver or aluminum parachutes while the pilots have none) other positions, and the pilots go where and get what?? Some will go to corporate aviation and many will go to Home Depot or real estate agencies. Just think .. if you shut the place down where are you?? I am OK -- I just get a new tail number.

I support you guys ... but just watch out for the game of chicken.

Fly safe.

NJAowner - your observations are right on. Unfortunately the nature of negotiations in aviation seem to always come down to this game of chicken.
Both sides talk a good game up to the end, but neither one wants the company to fail.

In the end though, I think unionized employees have more to lose in the game. Their livelihood is tied to a seniority number. If the company fails or they leave then they have to start all over again at the bottom of the ladder.

In the today's economy managers and non-union employees move around regularly and are not penalized like union employees when they move.

So while you see a lot of bravado on this board, take it with a grain of salt. None of the pilots, even the most ardent union supporters, relishes the thought of starting out at the bottom of the seniority list again.

 

[Starman]

Wow - 9 whole months to fix a multitude of problems including starting a new local, running a number of elections and focusing on negotiations. But to help clear up your intentional misunderstandings, I shall explain as if talking to a child.

The database used by Teamsters International to conduct the strike vote was the one passed by 284 to them. Our new local could only direct pilots to contact our business agent to get a replacement ballot if they didn't get one. The MEC and Local 1108 were not in charge of this election - the International was.

The results would not have changed in the end result. For every 100 new votes we would have collected, at least 93 would have authorized a strike.

The continual harping on this board by the management zombies about a lack of solidarity is becoming laughable. The pilots are united and management had better start negotiating in good faith or face even more problems.

It should be interesting to see what happens with the IAM lawsuit against the NMB. If they prevail, we may be forced to follow their lead and sue the NMB to allow us to strike. Bet the head shyster in Woodbridge is starting to get a little nervous.

 

[FamilyGuy]

It should be interesting to see what happens with the IAM lawsuit against the NMB. If they prevail, we may be forced to follow their lead and sue the NMB to allow us to strike. Bet the head shyster in Woodbridge is starting to get a little nervous.

This lawsuit?

http://fl701.goiam.org/content.cfm?cID=4336

good luck with that....I'm sure suing the government will really help their cause. Not to mention that the way the courts are backed up it will probably be 5-7 years before that is wrapped up, but go ahead and pin your hopes on it if it makes you feel better....

Off topic, but there was an interesting quote in the article from the president of the railroad union - “We are tired of being indentured servants to greedy railroads and useless bureaucrats.”

Sounds like the same recycled union rhetoric. Last time I checked the railroads weren't exactly the model of financial health.....and again, if you dont like working for that company then move on...there are thousands of other options out there

Maybe they are using the same logic as the NetJets Union - the money is there...we know it! Never mind the financial statements filed with the federal government...we all know those are cooked.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Who's slamming the workers in the casino? Sounds like flame bait to me. The funny thing is this management team will be gone in a year. Just like the other four management teams before them. Our union will be here for a looooong time. We are looking out for our friends in Fort Fumble. I have been here a long time I don't want to see my friends in CMH lose their jobs when Shamtulli decides to change management again. What happens everytime when new management comes in? Everyone in CMH gets their departments turned upside down. Don't put all your stock and trust in Bridgeway Bob and "Moisture" they will be gone one day soon.

Dude - no one in CMH is losing their jobs. Yes, I too have seen several management teams come and go since I started here, but that is a fact of life at any company in the US these days. I have not seen any of the CMH employees lose their jobs because the managers changed.

Everyone should know by now that change is a fact of life. Things go much easier in life if you accept that fact and make the best of your situation rather than trying to fight change.

 

[Some Dude]

I another stupid post by Family Guy. Do you really think it's good that management is changed here every two years? The only ones that show any loyality is the workers. Shamtulli is the worst people manager I have ever seen. Bridgeway Bob and you are a joke to this company. Personally I could think of a lot of job cuts in CMH. Keep drinking the cool aid that everything is great. I have the owners tell me everyday how service is terrible yet they love the crews. I keep getting 100% satisfaction rating from the owners as do all the other crews. Why doesn't owner services rate as high as the crews?

 

[Lord Wakefield]

The majority of votes not counted were due to bad addresses generated from the list passed on by the old 284 leadership and Local. Thanks to them again for taking care of us... schmucks. 1108 knows that around 1750 addresses are good and verified. About that many votes came back with a 93% vote in favor of shutting this pig off. I would bet that if the other 400 pilots were polled that the 93% number would rise to around 95% easily.

I think it's very likely that, if the 400 were successfully polled, the results would come back with a similar ratio. For Troll to imply that these are No Votes is stretching it. Of the people I know who didn't vote, all are on their way out as they've seen enough already. You can't run a company with employees who quit any more than you can with them on strike.

 

[CMHTroll]

I think it's very likely that, if the 400 were successfully polled, the results would come back with a similar ratio. For Troll to imply that these are No Votes is stretching it. Of the people I know who didn't vote, all are on their way out as they've seen enough already. You can't run a company with employees who quit any more than you can with them on strike.

You can speculate all you want but the fact is that they didn’t vote. And the normal rule in statistical analysis is you would count them no. It is amazing after all the ho-ha-ha from the “Strong Union” about how they were going to fix things; they couldn’t even get all their members to vote. You guys crack me up. You want it both ways. But I guess the Union MEC are just good politicians at heart. It is a good thing they took this strike vote now before their election, because they are going to have a hard time getting elected when they get the members put in recess for their political bargaining. I hope you guys get your leadership to smarten up and get it!

You can run a company without Union employees and with employees on strike. It is just a different company. There are many who would like to see you locked out and change the business.

 

[Hogprint]

Starman said:

The database used by Teamsters International to conduct the strike vote was the one passed by 284 to them. Our new local could only direct pilots to contact our business agent to get a replacement ballot if they didn't get one. The MEC and Local 1108 were not in charge of this election - the International was.

The results would not have changed in the end result. For every 100 new votes we would have collected, at least 93 would have authorized a strike.

The continual harping on this board by the management zombies about a lack of solidarity is becoming laughable. The pilots are united and management had better start negotiating in good faith or face even more problems.

CMHtroll, since you obviously did not read this I bumped it for you.



82/89/93

 

[Some Dude]

Troll is such a tool. Use some KY jelly before you insert all the company BS. It might relax you a little.

 

[Diesel]

Dude guys figure it out. CMHtroll is just that. He's nothing more than somebody upstairs posting stuff. To say he's just a screen reader is actually below him. I'm sure he's more than that.

Let's look at some of the stuff he's posted that only a manager would know.

Intamate details of J's arbitration hearing
Voting counts and posting on flightinfo.com quicker than anyone else.
Crew policys and his own spin on how they got to that point.

I believe CMHtroll is truely some sh!tdick in mangament. He's got to get on here and spout the company spin but when it all comes down to it he has no say. He can't do anything about how i vote or the rest of you vote. He is the captain of a rudderless ship and hasn't accepted the fact he has no controll.

So he gets on flightinfo.com and spouts his company line and thinks he's turning the screws into the workforce. I'm sure one of his buddies gave him access to our union board so he reads that too.

In the end he's just a guy sitting on the sidelines that has no control over the game.

By the way i'm the guy banging the cheerleader.

 

[gunfyter]

Breaking news

I found the money. We can finish the contract now.

One owner this week ... Speaking about whoever he deals with back at the death star... "They don't get it. I don't care what it costs. I just want to get there fast."

translation... raise management fees and pay the pilots.

we now return to your normal programming.

 

[NJAowner]

Gunfyter has a point

Gunfyter - you are along the lines of what I have been saying here for 3 years. The owners have the ultimate power in this games. You need to appeal to the owners to get what you want. P!ss them off (including a strike) and the tide changes.

In a simple phrase --- so go the owners so goes the company. If owners walk, the company loses, and if the company loses the pilots lose.

The pilot group vastly underestimates the power of the owners. If we give CMH the blessing to increase fees and in return get better performance from pilots (not safety but that "extra effort", you can get what you want. Irritate the owners (who toer than Hollywood types are overwhelmingly anti-union), and a tsunami will rise against the pilots.

This is common sense.

Fly safe/

 

[Some Dude]

NJA owner what you don't understand is that the company told most owners and the pilots themselves that the reason they raised the management fees years ago is to give the pilots a raise. We haven't seen a dime. They lied to the owners and to the pilots.

Second point we have a union like it or not. A strike is possible not just from the pilots but from the mechanics or flight attendants. So, if a unionized group at NJA would strike then the pilots would honor that strike and not fly. So the owners do get screwed in the end.
You should have done your research and learned that a strike could be possible at NJA before you bought into the program. If the company fails than too bad. Leason learned. I'm not afraid of this company failing. Businesses fail all the time. I'll move on and so will the owners.

I don't have to worry about making the owners mad. The company does that everyday. I try my best to do the best job possible, but I won't be going out of my way to fix any problems I see coming down the line. I won't be fixing any problems that NJA creates. I fixed the problems for years. Shamtulli and this management team are like children. I will let them make the mistakes and see if they ever learn how to fix them.