NJI Mins?

[Hogprint]

The NJA guys were the ones that went to work to be the lowest paid pilots in the U.S., not the NJI guys.

Let me put this in perspective.

Getting out of the service and looking for an aviation job. Low time FWinger and not competitive for the majors. Targeted Regionals and Frax. Some like helo time, some don't.

Was hired at a couple of commuters, but was holding out for Reg or Frx. Just could not do 18k yr. Was called by NJA and told to reasonably expect 40-41k first year (which I made). Plus they gave me 1.2 mil conversion factor, so I looked better on paper.

So, I or others did not go to work to be the lowest paid in the industry. Just look at the numbers. We are fighting for hopefully some of the best pay and benefits. That remains to be seen.

 

[h25b]

Let me put this in perspective.

Getting out of the service and looking for an aviation job. Low time FWinger and not competitive for the majors. Targeted Regionals and Frax. Some like helo time, some don't.

Was hired at a couple of commuters, but was holding out for Reg or Frx. Just could not do 18k yr. Was called by NJA and told to reasonably expect 40-41k first year (which I made). Plus they gave me 1.2 mil conversion factor, so I looked better on paper.

So, I or others did not go to work to be the lowest paid in the industry. Just look at the numbers. We are fighting for hopefully some of the best pay and benefits. That remains to be seen.

So what then is the 27K we all hear so much about ??? You don't make it seam all that bad, if that's the case Netjetwife shouldn't qualify for reduced price lunches. I guess you tell a different story than Some Dude, Netjetswife, and others.

Not being Military, maybe you can tell me what a "Hogprint" is...

 

[NJAFracPilot]

Find a corporate job. Work at NJI and you will be the lowest paid Gulfstream pilot in the U.S. just like at NJA.

I dunno...

When I look at the Pro Pilot Salary Survey it looks like the senior Gulfstream captains at NJI are making about $10k more than the average NBAA G550 captain while I'm making about fifteen grand less than the average NBAA Citation X captain...

Go figure.

 

[h25b]

I dunno...

When I look at the Pro Pilot Salary Survey it looks like the senior Gulfstream captains at NJI are making about $10k more than the average NBAA G550 captain while I'm making about fifteen grand less than the average NBAA Citation X captain...

Go figure.

Watch out, now that you've disagreed with him he's going to insult you.

 

[Hogprint]

So what then is the 27K we all hear so much about ???

That is very real. If you don't get on by pass pay early or get overtime or extendo days, then you could easily be close to that figure. At the time I was getting lots of OT and some extendo days. That was five yrs ago. Now, not as many upgrades and bids coming out. Not to mention that year and a half hiring freeze.

Only two ways to find out what a hogprint is...

Go to your local recruiter and raise your right hand...

Find me on the road and after proper libation you will be INITIATED!


ps
after being initiated and you prove worthy...you might get to SHOOT THE BOOT!

AIR CAV!!!

 

[Some Dude]

Well actually page 72 in the June 2005 Pro Pilot mag on US salary study list the Corporate Jet Gulfstream IV/G450 as average=$155,000...Low=$109,000...High=$210,000.

Fractional Gulfstream IV/G450 on page 80 lists the pay as follows average=$100,000...Low=$79,000...High=$120,000. Yep I guess I am right again.

 

[h25b]

Once again, you were stating that a NJI new hire would be one of the lowest paid pilots in the industry. It is a fact that they are not.

By the way, having worked now at 2 Fortune 500 companies I can tell you that virtually no one cares about the ProPilot survey. Most use the NBAA or The Stanton-Group's Industrial Flight Compensation Survey ...

I guess if it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself you're right..

 

[Some Dude]

H25b, You can feel good that you sweep the hangar floor for a Fortune 500 company. The fact is you brought up the Pro Pilot study by reference of a previous post that mentioned the study. I just backed up my facts. You didn't. Also, if you are hired at NJI you negotiate your own salary. Since NJI is the only fractional company that operates a large number of Gulfstreams it is those salary numbers that are reflected in the Pro Pilot Study. According to you H25b your are the "genious" (your spelling not mine). I don't claim to be a genius just pointing out facts which you know nothing about. One more point. I said if he worked at NJI he would be one of the lowest paid GULFSTREAM pilots in the country. NOT the lowest paid PILOT in the country. Geez.

 

[h25b]

H25b, You can feel good that you sweep the hangar floor for a Fortune 500 company. The fact is you brought up the Pro Pilot study by reference of a previous post that mentioned the study. I just backed up my facts. You didn't. Also, if you are hired at NJI you negotiate your own salary. Since NJI is the only fractional company that operates a large number of Gulfstreams it is those salary numbers that are reflected in the Pro Pilot Study. According to you H25b your are the "genious" (your spelling not mine). I don't claim to be a genius just pointing out facts which you know nothing about. One more point. I said if he worked at NJI he would be one of the lowest paid GULFSTREAM pilots in the country. NOT the lowest paid PILOT in the country. Geez.

Sir, once again... It is a fact that the NJI guys are at around 70% NBAA FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY FLY... That means that they are not nearly the lowest paid Gulfstream pilots, not by ANY measure. PERIOD. You can insult me all you wish and judge me as an idiot by one spelling mistake, but this does not change the fact that you are incorrect in stating that the NJI guys are underpaid to the point that you are... My last post was not at all incorrect. Most Aviation Directors that I know use that pro-pilot survey for nothing much beyond entertainment purposes. Go to www.stanton-group.com ... It details their compensation survey process.

If you don't believe me, check out the next post by one of your "brothers." Even he claims you are an idiot. I can't believe you can even read, let alone read pro-pilot... Especially since Clay Lacy is a supposed SCAB. I'd think it would be forbidden reading for you pro-union types...

 

[NJAFracPilot]

Well actually page 72 in the June 2005 Pro Pilot mag on US salary study list the Corporate Jet Gulfstream IV/G450 as average=$155,000...Low=$109,000...High=$210,000.

Dude, you are truly a dip$hit! The numbers you're using are for a Aviation Department Manager! Chief pilot salaries are on page 72, too. Why not quote them? Go to page 73 for NBAA GV/G550 Captain pay- Average= $125,000...Low= $96,000...High= 162,000.

Fractional Gulfstream IV/G450 on page 80 lists the pay as follows average=$100,000...Low=$79,000...High=$120,000. Yep I guess I am right again.

Read my post again, moron. I said "NBAA G550 captain". Go one line down from the Fractional GIV/G450 pay line you quoted to the GV/G550 line I referenced to read: Average= $119,000...Low= $89,000...High= $135,000.

Now tell me again how I'm wrong. Second question, do they let you out all by yourself?

 

[h25b]

Dude, you are truly a dip$hit! The numbers you're using are for a Aviation Department Manager! Chief pilot salaries are on page 72, too. Why not quote them? Go to page 73 for NBAA GV/G550 Captain pay- Average= $125,000...Low= $96,000...High= 162,000.



Read my post again, moron. I said "NBAA G550 captain". Go one line down from the Fractional GIV/G450 pay line you quoted to the GV/G550 line I referenced to read: Average= $119,000...Low= $89,000...High= $135,000.

Now tell me again how I'm wrong. Second question, do they let you out all by yourself?

Outstanding...

 

[Some Dude]

That's what I get for drinking beers and posting at the same time. I'm just glad I don't fly the ten. I was wrong and I can admit when I am. H25b I was WRONG score one for you. NJAFracpilot you can kiss my cornhole.

 

[h25b]

That's what I get for drinking beers and posting at the same time. I'm just glad I don't fly the ten. I was wrong and I can admit when I am. H25b I was WRONG score one for you. NJAFracpilot you can kiss my cornhole.

I guess I'll go back to mopping floors then...

 

[Some Dude]

Heck pass the mop to me I just spilled my beer. I'll clean up my own mess. Serioulsy though Planes Trains and Automobliles was one funny movie.

 

[h25b]

You're right (about the movie) ...


And you'll have better luck playing pick-up sticks with your butt cheeks than proving me wrong about salary surveys!!!