NJI Mins?

[propjob27]

I saw this on the website:
Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
5000 hours total pilot time
500 Gulfstream hours
Crewmembers must live in the Continental US and within 1 hour of an airport with scheduled airline service



Is this set in stone? Specifically, the 500 Gulfsteam hours. As a furloughed airline guy, I meet all the other mins, but I have 0 time in a Gulfsteam, or any other biz jet for that matter. I have international time all over the world, but it's in a 757, not Gulfsteam.

Any suggestions? Is it even worth typing the cover letter and applying?

Thanks

PS. Please dont turn this into a NJI /NJA sucks / NJI will end up at the bottom of the senority list at NJA thread, etc. I just want to know if they hire people without the Gulfsteam time.

 

[Some Dude]

If you can give a good reach around to the Chief Pilot you would have a good chance at getting hired. Serioulsly, I wouldn't go there unless you want to cross a picket line later.

 

[ditch]

If you can give a good reach around to the Chief Pilot you would have a good chance at getting hired. Serioulsly, I wouldn't go there unless you want to cross a picket line later.

B.S.

cheers

 

[h25b]

If you can give a good reach around to the Chief Pilot you would have a good chance at getting hired. Serioulsly, I wouldn't go there unless you want to cross a picket line later.

Since you don't work for NJI, why would you think that anyone would care what you think. ??? ...

 

[Some Dude]

H25b dang every post you make you show how stupid you are when it comes to NJA. NJI is part of NJA. One day you will learn. Now go back to watching Sponge Bob.

 

[h25b]

H25b dang every post you make you show how stupid you are when it comes to NJA. NJI is part of NJA. One day you will learn. Now go back to watching Sponge Bob.

Oh yeah, your union says they are the same company so it must be true ..

NJA is hiring anyone with a pulse while NJI requires 5000 TT and 500 Gulfstream. Sounds like they're the same company to me. I guess this is a continuation of your single carrier lawsuit arguement.

 

[joepilot111]

From everything I have seen NJI has been able to get plenty of Gulfstream guys to come to work for them.Probably because there are lots of gulfstram guys looking for work. But you know how it goes...as soon as pilots are scarce, the Gulfstream requirment would be dropped and soon they would be hiring CFI's.

I dont work for NJA/NJI, but for a competitor, I have had friends who have gone to NJI. One had a type and one didn't, nor had ever set foot in a GIV. He had simular quals. as you. Good luck. I would think that NJI would be the premier fractional to work for.

 

[h25b]

The reason they don't have a problem finding pilots is that it's hard to find a Gulfstream position that pays market value with a set schedule. Pilots for that type of position are NEVER scarce.

 

[C-5 MEM]

If NJI went under bankruptcy or even went out of business would NJA file bankruptcy or close there doors. I am not trying to pick a fight I just want to understand the difference here. I take it the company is owned by the same person, but under completly different names.

 

[Spooky 1]

I saw this on the website:
Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
5000 hours total pilot time
500 Gulfstream hours
Crewmembers must live in the Continental US and within 1 hour of an airport with scheduled airline service



Is this set in stone? Specifically, the 500 Gulfsteam hours. As a furloughed airline guy, I meet all the other mins, but I have 0 time in a Gulfsteam, or any other biz jet for that matter. I have international time all over the world, but it's in a 757, not Gulfsteam.

Any suggestions? Is it even worth typing the cover letter and applying?

Thanks

PS. Please dont turn this into a NJI /NJA sucks / NJI will end up at the bottom of the senority list at NJA thread, etc. I just want to know if they hire people without the Gulfsteam time.

Had a friend who had a walk in interview at NJI just last week. The folks he spoke to were very polite and seemed interested in his qualifications (no coprporate DNA in his background), even though he did not have any Gulfstream time. They bascially said that at this time at least they are able to attract enough qualified Gulfstream pilots to fill their needs, but that could change and they encouraged him to stay in touch over the next year or so.
He was fairly impressed withthose that he met and intends to follow through.
Before we start making this guy out as a potential SCAB, please don't simply because he would not go that route.

 

[Some Dude]

Find a corporate job. Work at NJI and you will be the lowest paid Gulfstream pilot in the U.S. just like at NJA.

 

[Hogprint]

Propjob,

I have a friend I flew with at NJA that went over last fall. He was retired airline, over sixty, and had zero time in the Gs. He did have some inside help though, but he got on.

I bumped into him this winter and he said he loved it. Comparing NJA/NJI he said the biggest thing is they just plain treat you like a human. Flying the line and the ins and outs were basically the same, but the treatment from above was much better.

Incidentally, he was really pushing me to try and get on with his former airline! So take that for what it is worth!

Get the resume` in though. I have two friends there and they seem to love it, NJA/NJI bickering on this board aside!

 

[gutshotdraw]

Here goes nothin...

I've been reading this board for some time now (quite amusing actually) and have resisted the urge to post my two cents. But I have to jump in here to answer the question that started this thread.

Propjob27, when NJI started 10 years ago, every person hired was G-IV typed and experienced because Gulfstream demanded that if their name was on the door (Gulfstream Shares) with Executive Jet, that was the price. As time went by, you could get hired with experience in any Gulfstream if not the IV. If you were from a flight department that fractionalized to EJI, you would get an interview and most likely hired regardless of the equipment listed on your ATP. As more time went by, military and airline people were hired especially if they had a connection within the company. Bottom line for interview today (NJI expects to hire 6 per month for the rest of '05): recommendations from within get the best look, Gulfstream time helps a lot, but the overall experience level and quality of person gets the job.

As for the other issues floating around the board, most of us at NJI hope NJA reaches a fair contract soon without either side resorting to a "nuclear" option. That said, single carrier will only happen if negotiated into the new CBA (doubtful), pay is below NBAA average until hard time off is considered (I've been part 91 Corporate my whole career and have never seen or heard of a schedule like this before), and the vast majority of pilots and F/A's at NJI are great people who work hard, try to enjoy their trips, and then go home.

If I were you, I would apply asap.

Hope it helps.

 

[propjob27]

Thanks for all the info guys. I'm all ready to fax/email my cover letter and resume the 1st business day after the holliday. Unfortunately, the only friends I have in the fractional world are at NJA, and not NJI, but nevertheless I have my fingers crossed.

Thanks again.

 

[h25b]

Find a corporate job. Work at NJI and you will be the lowest paid Gulfstream pilot in the U.S. just like at NJA.

G-VFlyer posted (and believe me, HE KNOWS) that NJI guys were paid something like 70% NBAA. To explain it to you, that means they are not the lowest paid by a large margin... The NJA guys were the ones that went to work to be the lowest paid pilots in the U.S., not the NJI guys.

 

[Hogprint]

The NJA guys were the ones that went to work to be the lowest paid pilots in the U.S., not the NJI guys.

Let me put this in perspective.

Getting out of the service and looking for an aviation job. Low time FWinger and not competitive for the majors. Targeted Regionals and Frax. Some like helo time, some don't.

Was hired at a couple of commuters, but was holding out for Reg or Frx. Just could not do 18k yr. Was called by NJA and told to reasonably expect 40-41k first year (which I made). Plus they gave me 1.2 mil conversion factor, so I looked better on paper.

So, I or others did not go to work to be the lowest paid in the industry. Just look at the numbers. We are fighting for hopefully some of the best pay and benefits. That remains to be seen.

 

[h25b]

Let me put this in perspective.

Getting out of the service and looking for an aviation job. Low time FWinger and not competitive for the majors. Targeted Regionals and Frax. Some like helo time, some don't.

Was hired at a couple of commuters, but was holding out for Reg or Frx. Just could not do 18k yr. Was called by NJA and told to reasonably expect 40-41k first year (which I made). Plus they gave me 1.2 mil conversion factor, so I looked better on paper.

So, I or others did not go to work to be the lowest paid in the industry. Just look at the numbers. We are fighting for hopefully some of the best pay and benefits. That remains to be seen.

So what then is the 27K we all hear so much about ??? You don't make it seam all that bad, if that's the case Netjetwife shouldn't qualify for reduced price lunches. I guess you tell a different story than Some Dude, Netjetswife, and others.

Not being Military, maybe you can tell me what a "Hogprint" is...

 

[NJAFracPilot]

Find a corporate job. Work at NJI and you will be the lowest paid Gulfstream pilot in the U.S. just like at NJA.

I dunno...

When I look at the Pro Pilot Salary Survey it looks like the senior Gulfstream captains at NJI are making about $10k more than the average NBAA G550 captain while I'm making about fifteen grand less than the average NBAA Citation X captain...

Go figure.

 

[h25b]

I dunno...

When I look at the Pro Pilot Salary Survey it looks like the senior Gulfstream captains at NJI are making about $10k more than the average NBAA G550 captain while I'm making about fifteen grand less than the average NBAA Citation X captain...

Go figure.

Watch out, now that you've disagreed with him he's going to insult you.

 

[Hogprint]

So what then is the 27K we all hear so much about ???

That is very real. If you don't get on by pass pay early or get overtime or extendo days, then you could easily be close to that figure. At the time I was getting lots of OT and some extendo days. That was five yrs ago. Now, not as many upgrades and bids coming out. Not to mention that year and a half hiring freeze.

Only two ways to find out what a hogprint is...

Go to your local recruiter and raise your right hand...

Find me on the road and after proper libation you will be INITIATED!


ps
after being initiated and you prove worthy...you might get to SHOOT THE BOOT!

AIR CAV!!!

 

[Some Dude]

Well actually page 72 in the June 2005 Pro Pilot mag on US salary study list the Corporate Jet Gulfstream IV/G450 as average=$155,000...Low=$109,000...High=$210,000.

Fractional Gulfstream IV/G450 on page 80 lists the pay as follows average=$100,000...Low=$79,000...High=$120,000. Yep I guess I am right again.

 

[h25b]

Once again, you were stating that a NJI new hire would be one of the lowest paid pilots in the industry. It is a fact that they are not.

By the way, having worked now at 2 Fortune 500 companies I can tell you that virtually no one cares about the ProPilot survey. Most use the NBAA or The Stanton-Group's Industrial Flight Compensation Survey ...

I guess if it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself you're right..

 

[Some Dude]

H25b, You can feel good that you sweep the hangar floor for a Fortune 500 company. The fact is you brought up the Pro Pilot study by reference of a previous post that mentioned the study. I just backed up my facts. You didn't. Also, if you are hired at NJI you negotiate your own salary. Since NJI is the only fractional company that operates a large number of Gulfstreams it is those salary numbers that are reflected in the Pro Pilot Study. According to you H25b your are the "genious" (your spelling not mine). I don't claim to be a genius just pointing out facts which you know nothing about. One more point. I said if he worked at NJI he would be one of the lowest paid GULFSTREAM pilots in the country. NOT the lowest paid PILOT in the country. Geez.

 

[h25b]

H25b, You can feel good that you sweep the hangar floor for a Fortune 500 company. The fact is you brought up the Pro Pilot study by reference of a previous post that mentioned the study. I just backed up my facts. You didn't. Also, if you are hired at NJI you negotiate your own salary. Since NJI is the only fractional company that operates a large number of Gulfstreams it is those salary numbers that are reflected in the Pro Pilot Study. According to you H25b your are the "genious" (your spelling not mine). I don't claim to be a genius just pointing out facts which you know nothing about. One more point. I said if he worked at NJI he would be one of the lowest paid GULFSTREAM pilots in the country. NOT the lowest paid PILOT in the country. Geez.

Sir, once again... It is a fact that the NJI guys are at around 70% NBAA FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY FLY... That means that they are not nearly the lowest paid Gulfstream pilots, not by ANY measure. PERIOD. You can insult me all you wish and judge me as an idiot by one spelling mistake, but this does not change the fact that you are incorrect in stating that the NJI guys are underpaid to the point that you are... My last post was not at all incorrect. Most Aviation Directors that I know use that pro-pilot survey for nothing much beyond entertainment purposes. Go to www.stanton-group.com ... It details their compensation survey process.

If you don't believe me, check out the next post by one of your "brothers." Even he claims you are an idiot. I can't believe you can even read, let alone read pro-pilot... Especially since Clay Lacy is a supposed SCAB. I'd think it would be forbidden reading for you pro-union types...

 

[NJAFracPilot]

Well actually page 72 in the June 2005 Pro Pilot mag on US salary study list the Corporate Jet Gulfstream IV/G450 as average=$155,000...Low=$109,000...High=$210,000.

Dude, you are truly a dip$hit! The numbers you're using are for a Aviation Department Manager! Chief pilot salaries are on page 72, too. Why not quote them? Go to page 73 for NBAA GV/G550 Captain pay- Average= $125,000...Low= $96,000...High= 162,000.

Fractional Gulfstream IV/G450 on page 80 lists the pay as follows average=$100,000...Low=$79,000...High=$120,000. Yep I guess I am right again.

Read my post again, moron. I said "NBAA G550 captain". Go one line down from the Fractional GIV/G450 pay line you quoted to the GV/G550 line I referenced to read: Average= $119,000...Low= $89,000...High= $135,000.

Now tell me again how I'm wrong. Second question, do they let you out all by yourself?

 

[h25b]

Dude, you are truly a dip$hit! The numbers you're using are for a Aviation Department Manager! Chief pilot salaries are on page 72, too. Why not quote them? Go to page 73 for NBAA GV/G550 Captain pay- Average= $125,000...Low= $96,000...High= 162,000.



Read my post again, moron. I said "NBAA G550 captain". Go one line down from the Fractional GIV/G450 pay line you quoted to the GV/G550 line I referenced to read: Average= $119,000...Low= $89,000...High= $135,000.

Now tell me again how I'm wrong. Second question, do they let you out all by yourself?

Outstanding...

 

[Some Dude]

That's what I get for drinking beers and posting at the same time. I'm just glad I don't fly the ten. I was wrong and I can admit when I am. H25b I was WRONG score one for you. NJAFracpilot you can kiss my cornhole.

 

[h25b]

That's what I get for drinking beers and posting at the same time. I'm just glad I don't fly the ten. I was wrong and I can admit when I am. H25b I was WRONG score one for you. NJAFracpilot you can kiss my cornhole.

I guess I'll go back to mopping floors then...

 

[Some Dude]

Heck pass the mop to me I just spilled my beer. I'll clean up my own mess. Serioulsy though Planes Trains and Automobliles was one funny movie.

 

[h25b]

You're right (about the movie) ...


And you'll have better luck playing pick-up sticks with your butt cheeks than proving me wrong about salary surveys!!!