NJA TA in principal reached!!!

[imacdog]

No need to do the work. It's already been posted. Comparing same YOS, the junior pilots got hosed. Everyone knows this despite your realization that as you move up the pay scale, you are getting a bigger raise each year than someone who is at the top of the pay scale.

 

[ExecJetCA]

As everyone points out we are comparing everything on the 7&7, you have the ability to bid other schedules that pay more. If you are admit about staying on schedule and complaining of suffering I can't help. Having many friends that got furloughed, they did what they had to do to make ends meet. It was very rough for them. If you are a new hire and don't like the TA then vote no, everyone has a vote. Is this TA perfect, no. If some how you have more inside information than our NC, then you should have stepped up and set them straight.

 

[surveypilot]

As everyone points out we are comparing everything on the 7&7, you have the ability to bid other schedules that pay more. If you are admit about staying on schedule and complaining of suffering I can't help. Having many friends that got furloughed, they did what they had to do to make ends meet. It was very rough for them. If you are a new hire and don't like the TA then vote no, everyone has a vote. Is this TA perfect, no. If some how you have more inside information than our NC, then you should have stepped up and set them straight.

Oh sure, I can just work more. That worked right up until October when I couldn't hold the 18 day schedule and was forced to the 7/7. I will do what I have to do to make ends meet. I had high hopes that NJ would be a career position. That obviously will not be the case. If I have to get a second job to make ends meet, this is not a career job.

Trust me. I will be exercising my right to vote NO!

 

[ExecJetCA]

What fleet did you get bumped off? Correct me if I am wrong, but with the new scheduling options there is no limit, you can only be displaced from the 7&7 to the 52 day, but getting the higher of the two pays.

 

[SkyGlider3]

But isn't that your daily comparison ? That regardless of status the pay sucks ? A raise was given , and at a almost 20% home . Most people would LOVE that kind of raise , AND you got a signing bonus . If a revolving door is created with th FO's , then that will induce a market controlled need to offer yet another raise to create an incentive to stay . The market place is an awesome tool when used correctly . If the current pay won't keep pilots at Net Jets , they'll have no choice but to offer the incentive . Still can't see why there is still complaining ..... True some of the hotels aren't the BEST , but they're far from the worst . That's gonna change too . And by the way , we stayed at some pretty great hotels , had almost free reign on food , before someone messed it up by going overboard on dinner and drinks ... And then ....

 

[gunfyter]

"Doubled the economy in Arkansas? Let me tell you something. When all you have is a penny all it takes is another penny to double your economy. " -- Ross Perot 1992

If you look at year one and the early years of SIC scale. It is only low to mid 50's percent of PIC pay. At year 10 it reaches about 68%. So yes the junior SICs are not getting the standard 68%. This makes their annual raises look larger as they catch up to 68%.

I find this objectionable and I'm unsure why it was done. Perhaps to trick people into feeling their situation is improving every year. Yes but from a substandard position.

 

[imacdog]

But isn't that your daily comparison ? That regardless of status the pay sucks ? A raise was given , and at a almost 20% home . Most people would LOVE that kind of raise , AND you got a signing bonus . If a revolving door is created with th FO's , then that will induce a market controlled need to offer yet another raise to create an incentive to stay . The market place is an awesome tool when used correctly . If the current pay won't keep pilots at Net Jets , they'll have no choice but to offer the incentive . Still can't see why there is still complaining ..... True some of the hotels aren't the BEST , but they're far from the worst . That's gonna change too . And by the way , we stayed at some pretty great hotels , had almost free reign on food , before someone messed it up by going overboard on dinner and drinks ... And then ....

Do you work at NJA?

 

[imacdog]

"Doubled the economy in Arkansas? Let me tell you something. When all you have is a penny all it takes is another penny to double your economy. " -- Ross Perot 1992

If you look at year one and the early years of SIC scale. It is only low to mid 50's percent of PIC pay. At year 10 it reaches about 68%. So yes the junior SICs are not getting the standard 68%. This makes their annual raises look larger as they catch up to 68%.

I find this objectionable and I'm unsure why it was done. Perhaps to trick people into feeling their situation is improving every year. Yes but from a substandard position.

It sure tricked ExecJetCA.

 

[ExecJetCA]

imacdog, some of us weren't gifted as you. It's obvious that your regional RJ wisdom would have saved the day. I have no idea why they didn't appoint you to the NC, in fact why aren't you in management? I am purely humbled being in your electronic presences.

 

[imacdog]

Sorry about your percentages exercise. I'm sure you felt you were really onto something there.

 

[acaTerry]

Grammar is not my strong suit, sorry.

The peril of a degree in English is that it is useful for nothing but catching mistakes :laugh:

 

[gunfyter]

Initially I thought this would fail.

Having attended the latest Union meeting, adamant No voters were turned to yes or significantly softened their opposition.

I think the over/under is now about 65% in favor.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Initially I thought this would fail.

Having attended the latest Union meeting, adamant No voters were turned to yes or significantly softened their opposition.

I think the over/under is now about 65% in favor.

My original prediction was 53-55% yes. I'm now thinking 60%.

STILL waiting to read the full text but I doubt I will read anything to move me off the NO vote. Just the opposite, in fact.

 

[rajflyboy]

same job with a bit more money

Same people getting special deals are the same people who will get special deals moving forward with this TA

just vote YES and everything will be peachy

 

[FLYLOW22]

80 is my guess