NJA TA in principal reached!!!

[imacdog]

The majors and LCCs are hiring!!!! There are other options....

From what I'm reading and working on personally, they're going to see a substantial number of new applications in their inbox.

 

[crowbar]

It could be a great place to work... it could be.... instead its going to become like the regionals.. no pilots.. the rich will be stuck trying to get somewhere. So simple to fix and make it a great place again

 

[jetlag7]

It could be a great place to work... it could be.... instead its going to become like the regionals.. no pilots.. the rich will be stuck trying to get somewhere. So simple to fix and make it a great place again

Never had to load bags or wipe "rich kid" piss off a toilet seat when I worked for a regional.... this job is worse than a regional.

 

[D_G]

Im confused, the richest man in the world is broke and cant pay his pilot

 

[BentOver]

Im confused, the richest man in the world is broke and cant pay his pilot

The richest, or top 3, doesn't pay $hit... It's NJA that pays..not WB, not BHK...so many say that WB can afford NJASAP's demands.. It has nothing to do with WB's deep pockets. It has everything to do with the fact that NJA pilots are already the highest paid FRACTIONAL pilots by a good amount. And then demanded to be paid $100k more than the next guy.

Unfortunately NJA pilots want to be included with the Legacies as their peer group. It just doesn't work that way. No amount of lav servicing, bag throwing, cabin cleaning complaining will change that. Remember who the audience is. Non aviation professionals who don't understand the differences.

Striking may be the only real option of getting close to what you want. And that is a risky option given the headaches WB has already suffered from this small part of his empire.

 

[T-1GUY]

The majors are hiring in droves. Come on over, the water is fine...

 

[captain007]

This POSTA is embarrassing. Big NO vote from me and many others. Can't wait to see this turned downed.

Good Luck you us all.

 

[crowbar]

the problem is this, 25 % and growing think its the greatest thing in the world and dont want to stand up and fight for real pilot compensation
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=261f035facdad431070a620f13ec9e20&oe=56D14C57

 

[hawkerfun]

Do tell me which airline gets free HEALTH INSURANCE??? You don't have to commute to work. That SUCKS when you don't live in your domicile. You can live in Eagle, CO and the COMPANY will get you to work. You are envious of Wal-Mart's pilots wages. The have to pay for their own health insurance. Some idiot wrote that affordable care was $365 a month. that is if you make $30,000 a year. you will pay more than that if you have a family and make 6 figures. The pilots at NetJets are such whiners on the NJASAP site I want to scream.

 

[ExecJetCA]

Our biggest problem is that we have pilots that whine like babies and have no mathematical skills.

7&7 SIC pay increases 44.89% over the five-year contract with increases if it?s extended the full 8 years, but I will only supply the first 5 for comparison.

$81,081 Current 10 year SIC

$117,480 at year 15

7&7 PIC pay increases 24.61% over the five-year contract with increases if it?s extended the full 8 years, but I will only supply the first 5 for comparison. PIC?s also get a 4% bonus on their yearly base salary upon maxing out the pay scale, but is not included here.

$136,846 Current 14 year PIC

$172,524 at year 19

18 day SIC pay increases 45.3% over the five-year contract with increases if it?s extended the full 8 years, but I will only supply the first 5 for comparison.

$98,635 Current 10 year SIC

$143,326 at year 15

18 day PIC pay increases 26.59% over the five-year contract with increases if it?s extended the full 8 years, but I will only supply the first 5 for comparison. PIC?s also get a 4% bonus on their yearly base salary upon maxing out the pay scale. But is not included here.

$166,473 Current 14 year PIC

$210,749 at year 19

401k match from the company over the first five years will increase by 46.6%. If the contract is extended for three years, then the company match will increased to a 54.6%over the remaining three years.

Seniority issues were fixed as well as some other issues. Some how SIC?s think they were thrown under the bus as well as this is a worthless TA?

 

[realityman]

ExecCA,

What TA are you looking at?

Your numbers are wrong!

Just as two examples (because I don't have time to go down the entire list), the TA increases current year 14 captain pay on the 7/7 to $164K (and some change, but I can't remember the exact number in hundreds).

The 401K increases 1%/year.

BY my calculations, the initial increase is 19.9%. For some, it's less. For example, I'm on the 15-day schedule, and since that's going away with no equivalent replacement, I'll see an increase of around 9.5%.

I don't care if you like the TA or not, but at least post accurate info.

 

[imacdog]

How about he posts comparison with the same YOS throughout the agreement. Of course when you top out the longevity scale your raises year over year will be less than someone in the middle of the longevity scale.

 

[ExecJetCA]

iMac are you one the guys that reads the numbers straight left to right? You one of incompetent ones that doesn't understand how to read it?

 

[imacdog]

I am comparing the same YOS. I know how to read what I will be making as I progress through the longevity scale. I also know you are using a bad comparison if you are comparing someone topped on the scale versus someone who isn't. Why the deception?

 

[SkyGlider3]

I must concur

 

[SkyGlider3]

Our biggest problem is that we have pilots that whine like babies and have no mathematical skills.

7&7 SIC pay increases 44.89% over the five-year contract with increases if it?s extended the full 8 years, but I will only supply the first 5 for comparison.

$81,081 Current 10 year SIC

$117,480 at year 15

7&7 PIC pay increases 24.61% over the five-year contract with increases if it?s extended the full 8 years, but I will only supply the first 5 for comparison. PIC?s also get a 4% bonus on their yearly base salary upon maxing out the pay scale, but is not included here.

$136,846 Current 14 year PIC

$172,524 at year 19

18 day SIC pay increases 45.3% over the five-year contract with increases if it?s extended the full 8 years, but I will only supply the first 5 for comparison.

$98,635 Current 10 year SIC

$143,326 at year 15

18 day PIC pay increases 26.59% over the five-year contract with increases if it?s extended the full 8 years, but I will only supply the first 5 for comparison. PIC?s also get a 4% bonus on their yearly base salary upon maxing out the pay scale. But is not included here.

$166,473 Current 14 year PIC

$210,749 at year 19

401k match from the company over the first five years will increase by 46.6%. If the contract is extended for three years, then the company match will increased to a 54.6%over the remaining three years.

Seniority issues were fixed as well as some other issues. Some how SIC?s think they were thrown under the bus as well as this is a worthless TA?

Here's what I think . Some of these guys believe they're sky Gods . Some have been in a good job their entire career or maybe 3 or 4 . Aviation is a wicked career at times and having been raked over the coals a few times I know what it's like to be grateful to have a Great job ! NetJets provides a wonderful Insurance package and pays a penalty for OUR Cadillac plan . We pay nothing ! We get 4 vacations a year , one every 3 months . We get benefits such as frequent flier miles , hotel points and AmEx points that we didn't have to spend money for !! Sometimes the hours are long , and if you're tired , say so and its taken care of . A lot of you have had your Type Ratings paid for by WB. My God man , think there's some Greed here ? If you hate your job , leave and give it to someone who would Love it ! Since so many of you think Regionals will pay you better , Adios ..... I for one am thankful , grateful and pleased .This raise is more than ample , the signing bonus , just that a Bonus . And I don't see any of you taking your check and giving it to anyone else .... Why should WB ? Remove his incentive to keep us in a job and he'll shut it down , and where will everyone go ? And if you really think you can walk into another job so easily with as bad as you say this is , you'd be gone already . So grow a set .

 

[imacdog]

It's a bonus that work pays for the type rating required to, uh, work there?

 

[CALRepublic]

1-Free benefits
2-live wherever we want, no comute
3- hotel, airline, amex points
4- free crew meals (an airline guy will spend $200- $300 bucks on a 4 day trip)
5- 4 weeks vacation

there are worst jobs outhere

 

[NachoMamma]

Remove his incentive to keep us in a job and he'll shut it down...

Let's hope so

 

[CA1900]

NetJets provides a wonderful Insurance package and pays a penalty for OUR Cadillac plan .

Once again, NetJets does not have a Cadillac plan. That's straight from our benefits department.

We pay nothing !

Yes we do. We "paid" for it when we negotiated a lower number for our salaries. It's subtracted from our pay, whether it's a separate item on our pay stubs or not.

... the signing bonus , just that a Bonus .

No, it's partial restitution for the two and a half years of deliberately stalled negotiations beyond the amendable date. For an FO who's been here 10 years, the "bonus" is $18K. For that same pilot, the initial 17% raise applied retroactively to when our contract was up would be $35,444. The TA provides for slightly over half of that.

 

[NJA bound]

Give the Teamsters a call

 

[SkyGlider3]

Amen !!!

 

[SkyGlider3]

I consider it a Cadillac plan when I pay a mere $30 copy whether to my Primarynor a Specialist . When compared to others who pay $45 when on Medicare!

If you don't like your job , Leave it .

 

[NJA bound]

Cheap out on your pilot and see what you get..

 

[CA1900]

I consider it a Cadillac plan when I pay a mere $30 copy...

Whether you consider it a Cadillac plan is wholly irrelevant. That term has a specific meaning for tax purposes. It has absolutely nothing to do with copays, benefits, or coverages. It's defined as a plan with annual premiums of more than $10,200 for an individual, or $27,500 for a family.

Your assertion that Netjets "pays a penalty for OUR Cadillac plan" is incorrect. Nobody pays it yet, because that provision doesn't start until 2018. And when 2018 hits, it still won't be a Cadillac plan, and the company will pay no penalty for having it.

If you don't like your job , Leave it .

I do like my job. That doesn't mean I'll stop trying to make it better.

 

[Willy21]

Let me counter some of your talking points.

1-Free benefits
We still pay deductibles and co-pays so it's not free. We also have negotiated lower pay to not have to pay an employee contribution for insurance premiums.

2-live wherever we want, no commute
- yes they buy airline tickets for us and we travel to the aircraft on company time. On day one that doesn't bother me, on day last there are times I would love to catch the early flight home but due to the companies desire to save a buck I get home late.

3- hotel, airline, amex points
A good benefit but not nearly as good of a program as it was 10 years ago.

4- free crew meals (an airline guy will spend $200- $300 bucks on a 4 day trip)
Crew food is a benefit for the company not the pilot. It keeps me tied to the jet at the airport. If I had my choice I would rather have time inbetween flights to get something more fresh and use my per diem.

5- 4 weeks vacation
After 10 years you get your 4th week, almost 11 years if you were hired after the annual cutoff date. Years 1-4 is 2 weeks, 5-9 is 3 weeks.



there are worst jobs outhere

There are worse jobs out there, there are also better. You can't fault a group for trying to make a job better in their eyes.

 

[ExecJetCA]

8 Year SIC
2015 $77,174
2016 $88,308
2017 $92,765
2018 $97,297
2019 $102,772
2020 $109,669
2021 $115,778
2022 $122,826
2023 $126,511

63.9% Increase not including signing bonus.

First Year SIC
2015 $56,875
2016 $62,563
2017 $65,720
2018 $69,037
2019 $73,971
2020 $80,036
2021 $85,758
2022 $92,336
2023 $99,908

75.6% Increase not including signing bonus.

If you are having difficulty reading the pay charts correctly call the union for an explanation.

 

[imacdog]

Why are you acting like you're the first person to figure out that longevity increases stop once you hit the pay scale cap?

 

[BentOver]

8 Year SIC
2015 $77,174
2016 $88,308
2017 $92,765
2018 $97,297
2019 $102,772
2020 $109,669
2021 $115,778
2022 $122,826
2023 $126,511

63.9% Increase not including signing bonus.

First Year SIC
2015 $56,875
2016 $62,563
2017 $65,720
2018 $69,037
2019 $73,971
2020 $80,036
2021 $85,758
2022 $92,336
2023 $99,908

75.6% Increase not including signing bonus.

If you are having difficulty reading the pay charts correctly call the union for an explanation.

So someone In year eight now, after another 8 yrs.... Will possibly make $126,511 ( year 15 for them)
And a newhire will be at $99908 in year eight....

Hell the airline FO's make the money you posted in the first column by year 2-3 as a new hire.....

 

[acaTerry]

iMac are you one the guys that reads the numbers straight left to right? You one of incompetent ones that doesn't understand how to read it?

Coming from someone who can't write clearly. Just an observation.