NJA sucks

[gunfyter]

Duke,

Yes.... The title of this thread is not correct. it is likely another emotional response... to a long wait for a new CBA. An exageration.

We do the right thing almost always ... unless it involves pilot salaries.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I guess doublewides count as homes.

 

[Publishers]

What about the all the corporate pilots who were taking their aircraft away and leaving their families back to deal with all that.

 

[Majik]

What about the all the corporate pilots who were taking their aircraft away and leaving their families back to deal with all that.

I'm sure you will always be able to find a few examples of companies that are totally insensitive to the well being of their employees but I bet most reputable companies would allow their pilots to return to their families once they have repositioned the company aircraft.

Keep trying to stir the pot though, Publisher. Sooner or later you might hit on a valid point. Kinda like the blind squirrel eventually finding an acorn if he searches hard enough.

 

[FredGarvin]

Its the right thing to do and credit is given for doing the right thing.... But you don't get a Medal for it.

You're right, Santulli got the medal for how well the company treated the guard and reserve guys that got sent out. Don't know if it ever got mentioned on this forum with all the Santulli bashing going on...about how the company supplements salaries for people called to active duty. The vast majority being pilots. Once again because it was the right thing to do.

I don't think that was "A COST OF DOING BUSINESS"!

 

[Starman]

The reason he's so generous with the offer to supplement the salary of folks called up to active duty is that 99% of them make a helluva lot more on active duty than they do at Netjest. No loss and a lot of good PR.

 

[FredGarvin]

Whatever, the union rhetoric is becoming so deep you need boots.

Starman, you're full of it. I work with a number of the "folks" in Ohio Air Guard and they and their families appreciate every dime!

The flags that flew over Afghanistan and Iraq that were given in appreciation to the company are testament to that.

 

[Majik]

You're right, Santulli got the medal for how well the company treated the guard and reserve guys that got sent out. Don't know if it ever got mentioned on this forum with all the Santulli bashing going on...about how the company supplements salaries for people called to active duty. The vast majority being pilots. Once again because it was the right thing to do.

I don't think that was "A COST OF DOING BUSINESS"!

It's the law, numbskull. If their guard or reserve unit gets called out, Santulli can't prevent them from going. You want to give Santulli a medal for following the law? Maybe for Santulli, following the law once in a blue moon does deserve a medal.

Not to mention, he doesn't have to pay them one dime because they make much much more deployed in the guard or reserve than they will working for Santulli.

 

[Starman]

Here's a pretty typical scenario for a Guard pilot at Nuts-R-Us.

O-3 on flight pay with 8 years total service -

Base Pay $4070.10
BAS $ 183.99
BAH $ 854.10
Flight Pay $ 650.00

Total $5758.19 per month


McNutjob Captain with 5 years seniority- $5082 per month

Yeah - I can see that I was way out of line with my assessment Fred. If I were to go back on active duty, I'd be taking down about $90K a year. Next time you wanna argue stuff about military pay, you might want to pick somebody that didn't serve over 20 years to argue with. Better yet - best to just keep your yap shut about stuff you don't know squat about.

 

[oldskoolbronco2]

I have not kept up on NJI, but what exactly is going on over there to cause such an uprising? I was under the impression 2 years ago that it was a great place to work?
Not trying to bait anything just curious of what mgmt is doing to cause such a violent atmosphere?

 

[JustInfo]

Spin it like Baghdad Bob

Why compare 8 years service to 5 years? If you are going to make comparisons then make them accurate, does nothing for credibility in debate to skew things. 8 year capt is 6208 vs your 8 year military of 5758. Looks like some supplemental pay would be necessary and should be APPRECIATED. I was taught to say THANK YOU when someone gives me something.

Also, after 20 years - pulling in over 90K. You can do that here at Nutjobs or whatever you are calling it also after 20 years, and even more on the BBJ.

So back to my original point...Thank you to those serving our country, it is definitely not worth it for the money so there is definitely some dedication there.

 

[h25b]

The reason he's so generous with the offer to supplement the salary of folks called up to active duty is that 99% of them make a helluva lot more on active duty than they do at Netjest. No loss and a lot of good PR.

I knew if I waited long enough there would be something that Starman and I would agree on...

A company has to support it's employees going on deployment the way that NetJets has.... IT'S THE LAW.

And yes, they are probably making more on active duty than they were full-time on the line at NetJets. A buddy of mine just got back and made a ton of money while on deployment.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Why compare 8 years service to 5 years? If you are going to make comparisons then make them accurate, does nothing for credibility in debate to skew things. 8 year capt is 6208 vs your 8 year military of 5758. Looks like some supplemental pay would be necessary and should be APPRECIATED. I was taught to say THANK YOU when someone gives me something.

Also, after 20 years - pulling in over 90K. You can do that here at Nutjobs or whatever you are calling it also after 20 years, and even more on the BBJ.

So back to my original point...Thank you to those serving our country, it is definitely not worth it for the money so there is definitely some dedication there.

Info,

Your post is erroneous. The question is how much is NJ supplementing military pay. What is NJ actually paying to activated PILOT reservists. The ave NJ pilots is on yr 4 pay? The average deployed Pilot reservist Has more than 10 yrs of service. When I started here I had more than 22 yrs.

So on average the pilots' pay in the military exceeds the NJ pay, by a lot. RTS has to supplement little to nothing for most pilots.

 

[FAcFriend]

If I were to go back on active duty, I'd be taking down about $90K a year.[ Starman-

Then why not go back?
What, in heck, is keeping you here?

Is it the hours? Is it being away from the family? Is it that military pilots get shot at and usually NJA pilots are not? Is it the uniforms? Military health care? Vacation pay? The schedule?

Is it that you are too old? Too tired? Too tall, short, fat or skinny?

There is a reason starman, that you do not go back on active duty and instead chose to fly NJA- Please enlighten us-

 

[buttercup]

If I were to go back on active duty, I'd be taking down about $90K a year.[ Starman-

Then why not go back?
What, in heck, is keeping you here?

Is it the hours? Is it being away from the family? Is it that military pilots get shot at and usually NJA pilots are not? Is it the uniforms? Military health care? Vacation pay? The schedule?

Is it that you are too old? Too tired? Too tall, short, fat or skinny?

There is a reason starman, that you do not go back on active duty and instead chose to fly NJA- Please enlighten us-

Why don't you show a little bit of respect fuc* face!! The man served his country , in the process defending your rights and you talk down to him like that? He doesn't owe your sorry asz and explanation for anything..

 

[FAcFriend]

as214-

I think our active duty pilots should make 90k a year and pretending that flying net jets compares to active duty is a ridiculous.

 

[Majik]

as214-

pretending that flying net jets compares to active duty is a ridiculous.

Can't you read??? He wasn't comparing working at NetJets with serving in the military. He was responding to Fred Garvin (aka Santulli asskisser) who proclaimed Santulli should be given a medal because he didn't try to fight the federal government to try to prevent NJA pilots from deploying with their military units when they were called up and because he also graciously offered to pay them the difference in their NJA salary vs military salary (which means he didn't have to pay them a dime, because they make more on active duty than at NJA).

So go ahead and keep trying to turn it into something that it isn't.

 

[JustInfo]

Thanks Mr Obvious

Well obviously if I had been at any job for 20 years I would be making more than after 4 years at Netjets. Why compare the two then? I could have gone to the local Home Depot 15 years ago and be making more than I am at NJA after 4 years now. Whats the point of comparing the pay scales then?

 

[Majik]

Why compare the two then?

Because Fred Garvin was claiming that Santulli was forking over extra money to bring military pay up to NetJets pay. Since that is not the case (military pay is greater than NJA pay), then Garvin's claim, that Santulli deserves a medal, is false. Understand now, or do I need to go deeper?

 

[JustInfo]

My bad I guess, missed the latest turn of this unending thread I guess. Haven't been reading it as close anymore I guess. I misunderstood the context of it somwhere...

Maybe this thread should die (as I keep it alive...)