NJA sucks

[JustInfo]

Spin it like Baghdad Bob

Why compare 8 years service to 5 years? If you are going to make comparisons then make them accurate, does nothing for credibility in debate to skew things. 8 year capt is 6208 vs your 8 year military of 5758. Looks like some supplemental pay would be necessary and should be APPRECIATED. I was taught to say THANK YOU when someone gives me something.

Also, after 20 years - pulling in over 90K. You can do that here at Nutjobs or whatever you are calling it also after 20 years, and even more on the BBJ.

So back to my original point...Thank you to those serving our country, it is definitely not worth it for the money so there is definitely some dedication there.

 

[h25b]

The reason he's so generous with the offer to supplement the salary of folks called up to active duty is that 99% of them make a helluva lot more on active duty than they do at Netjest. No loss and a lot of good PR.

I knew if I waited long enough there would be something that Starman and I would agree on...

A company has to support it's employees going on deployment the way that NetJets has.... IT'S THE LAW.

And yes, they are probably making more on active duty than they were full-time on the line at NetJets. A buddy of mine just got back and made a ton of money while on deployment.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Why compare 8 years service to 5 years? If you are going to make comparisons then make them accurate, does nothing for credibility in debate to skew things. 8 year capt is 6208 vs your 8 year military of 5758. Looks like some supplemental pay would be necessary and should be APPRECIATED. I was taught to say THANK YOU when someone gives me something.

Also, after 20 years - pulling in over 90K. You can do that here at Nutjobs or whatever you are calling it also after 20 years, and even more on the BBJ.

So back to my original point...Thank you to those serving our country, it is definitely not worth it for the money so there is definitely some dedication there.

Info,

Your post is erroneous. The question is how much is NJ supplementing military pay. What is NJ actually paying to activated PILOT reservists. The ave NJ pilots is on yr 4 pay? The average deployed Pilot reservist Has more than 10 yrs of service. When I started here I had more than 22 yrs.

So on average the pilots' pay in the military exceeds the NJ pay, by a lot. RTS has to supplement little to nothing for most pilots.

 

[FAcFriend]

If I were to go back on active duty, I'd be taking down about $90K a year.[ Starman-

Then why not go back?
What, in heck, is keeping you here?

Is it the hours? Is it being away from the family? Is it that military pilots get shot at and usually NJA pilots are not? Is it the uniforms? Military health care? Vacation pay? The schedule?

Is it that you are too old? Too tired? Too tall, short, fat or skinny?

There is a reason starman, that you do not go back on active duty and instead chose to fly NJA- Please enlighten us-

 

[buttercup]

If I were to go back on active duty, I'd be taking down about $90K a year.[ Starman-

Then why not go back?
What, in heck, is keeping you here?

Is it the hours? Is it being away from the family? Is it that military pilots get shot at and usually NJA pilots are not? Is it the uniforms? Military health care? Vacation pay? The schedule?

Is it that you are too old? Too tired? Too tall, short, fat or skinny?

There is a reason starman, that you do not go back on active duty and instead chose to fly NJA- Please enlighten us-

Why don't you show a little bit of respect fuc* face!! The man served his country , in the process defending your rights and you talk down to him like that? He doesn't owe your sorry asz and explanation for anything..

 

[FAcFriend]

as214-

I think our active duty pilots should make 90k a year and pretending that flying net jets compares to active duty is a ridiculous.

 

[Majik]

as214-

pretending that flying net jets compares to active duty is a ridiculous.

Can't you read??? He wasn't comparing working at NetJets with serving in the military. He was responding to Fred Garvin (aka Santulli asskisser) who proclaimed Santulli should be given a medal because he didn't try to fight the federal government to try to prevent NJA pilots from deploying with their military units when they were called up and because he also graciously offered to pay them the difference in their NJA salary vs military salary (which means he didn't have to pay them a dime, because they make more on active duty than at NJA).

So go ahead and keep trying to turn it into something that it isn't.

 

[JustInfo]

Thanks Mr Obvious

Well obviously if I had been at any job for 20 years I would be making more than after 4 years at Netjets. Why compare the two then? I could have gone to the local Home Depot 15 years ago and be making more than I am at NJA after 4 years now. Whats the point of comparing the pay scales then?

 

[Majik]

Why compare the two then?

Because Fred Garvin was claiming that Santulli was forking over extra money to bring military pay up to NetJets pay. Since that is not the case (military pay is greater than NJA pay), then Garvin's claim, that Santulli deserves a medal, is false. Understand now, or do I need to go deeper?

 

[JustInfo]

My bad I guess, missed the latest turn of this unending thread I guess. Haven't been reading it as close anymore I guess. I misunderstood the context of it somwhere...

Maybe this thread should die (as I keep it alive...)

 

[CMHTroll]

Majik - you are correct.

Most of the pilots have a compensation in the military greater than what they make at NetJets because of the length of time at NJ and their seinority. There are a few who do recieve extra compensation. The families also continued to be covered by the NetJets health care which is good.

Because Fred Garvin was claiming that Santulli was forking over extra money to bring military pay up to NetJets pay. Since that is not the case (military pay is greater than NJA pay), then Garvin's claim, that Santulli deserves a medal, is false. Understand now, or do I need to go deeper?

 

[El Chupacabra]

Troll, that was a concise reasonable factual and well thought out post.

Congratulations. You get the medal.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

NetJets Healthcare is a freaking joke!
As is the Dental!

 

[El Chupacabra]

I guess it depends where you live. Seems to work well where I live.

 

[niteflyr]

It must depend on where you live. I think it is the best insurance I have ever had. Even the dental beats most I have had.

 

[FredGarvin]

It must depend on where you live. I think it is the best insurance I have ever had. Even the dental beats most I have had.

Niteflyr, what's wrong with you? Don't you know that EVERYTHING at NutJets sucks and the boss is the devil himself! Can't have these kinds of breaks in ranks. You don't want to be called a Santulli asskisser by Majerk (aka mindless union toadie).

 

[El Chupacabra]

not called Satan's Air Force for nothing....

Devil comes disguised as an angel of light.

 

[CMHTroll]

Is it a joke?

NetJets Healthcare is a freaking joke!
As is the Dental!

The Aetna plan that the Company is offering with the new TA should take care of your issues, but then again no health care plan is what it was ten years ago. STS you are right, hold out for no deductibles, no co-pays and $5 for all prescriptions. And don’t forget to have them bump your life insurance up to a half a million while you are at it. All in all it doesn’t seem that bad and the point I was making was that NetJets continues the family coverage while the pilot is on military leave unlike other companies. And yes, it is just the right thing to do and does not deserve a medal.

 

[miles otoole]

It must depend on where you live. I think it is the best insurance I have ever had. Even the dental beats most I have had.

Sooooooooo.......How was growing up in West Virginny????

 

[Majik]

Niteflyr, what's wrong with you? Don't you know that EVERYTHING at NutJets sucks and the boss is the devil himself! Can't have these kinds of breaks in ranks. You don't want to be called a Santulli asskisser by Majerk (aka mindless union toadie).

Ouch, that hurts. Guess I must've hit a nerve. I hear cold cream will get that brown stuff off your nose but you'll have to stop going back to the trough for more.

 

[Semore Butts]

Wow, How did we get here??

Just for your information, I just got back from active duty in Iraq.

My Active duty net pay (bringhome) was a little over twice my Netjets gross income.

The company does pay the difference between your Netjets pay and military. It is a generous jesture from a new soldier that is employed at Netjets and gets deployed. (About private pay grade)

It really doesn't apply to a deployed officer of any rank below about the 8 or 9 year mark.

The company is wonderfull in matters of military, but then again, there is a war on, and by law they have to be. (I really must say, I encountered nothing but a positive attitude, and total support)

Now, they did try to hurry me back to the line with the minimum amount of training, but when I said WWWWWHHHHAAAAAATTTT????? They did cooperate and give me what I ask.

I am happy to be back and will fly the contract, and am confident that we will eventually reach an agreement.

Unfortunately, I fear I will be deployed again before we have an agreement.

 

[FredGarvin]

Semore,
A sincere thanks for your service.

You just illustrated the only point I was trying to make. The company does do the right stuff when it comes to these kinds of things. However, I don't think Mr. S only does it for PR or "because it's the law" as some have claimed. As with hurricane excused absenses its because it's the right thing to do and it is above and beyond what most do.

Stay safe.

 

[Starman]

Why compare 8 years service to 5 years? If you are going to make comparisons then make them accurate, does nothing for credibility in debate to skew things.

I was giving typical numbers. Most guys that separate from active duty to go into the Guard as pilots have over 8 years commissioned service. Most pilots that are currently employed at NetJets and serve in the guard have 5 years or less seniority. I wasn't trying to warp anything - just accurate numbers that show that RTS isn't giving most troops that deploy one thin dime.

As to why I'm not on active duty anymore, I'd gladly go back but I've been retired for over 12 years and they won't let you activate after you've been out over 5. I know - I tried both active duty and a couple of guard units.

 

[niteflyr]

Ooops, sorry Fred. I forgot, if you can't say something negative about NJA don't say anything at all!

And miles, sorry if you are on the union insurance, I have heard how bad it sucks. West Virginny, no. Nice West Coast city, yes. Aetna has covered me and my family in some fairly major issues other companies won't touch.

 

[Starman]

There is a reason starman, that you do not go back on active duty and instead chose to fly NJA- Please enlighten us-

Read my post above and consider yourself enlightened.

Things must have been slow at Bridgeway over the last couple of days cuz all the management zombies came out to post.

 

[Semore Butts]

Try again Starman

When was the last time you tried to get back in?

I would try again, the services seem to be opening up somewhat.


As for the pay? Rts certainly didn't have to shell out a dime of salary.

However! I was paid my vacation while I was gone, and, I am allowed to "catchup" with my 401K by monthly payroll deductions. I am assuming tht I will also get my company "match" which will indeed be money from the company.

 

[GVFlyer]

???

As to why I'm not on active duty anymore, I'd gladly go back but I've been retired for over 12 years and they won't let you activate after you've been out over 5. I know - I tried both active duty and a couple of guard units.

Interesting... I now have 7 retired friends who have requested a voluntary recall to active duty and received it. One of them was a fully tenured professor of law at UND, but of course, under the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994, he will have his position back when he returns from Bagdad.

GV

 

[Starman]

It has been over a year since I last looked into it. I guess with the sandbox continuing to drain resources, the services are looking at other options. I'll make a couple of calls.

 

[El Chupacabra]

GV
It depends on what you can do for them. I would imagine they don't care about your age as much to fly a C5 as they do an F16.

Medical people can get back in. The Air Force is sending teams to local hospitals bearing gifts and handing them out to nurses over 50, with or without prior service.

 

[Semore Butts]

Both speack the truth as usual

"V" and "Chu" speak the truth..