NJA sucks

[Ace-of-the-Base]

AceoftheBase,

I don't understand why you don't get this. Perhaps I should explain it in laymen's terms.

Bob Smith, whose 45, comes to Netjets with hopes and dreams of making a six figure salary in a few years. He tells his wife and his kids that soon they'll be able to buy a new car and go on nice vacations. The company and the union both say the pay raise is just a few months away.

Month after month, Bob waits, his wife, on the other hand is nagging him about the raise. His kids are now off to college, but no nice vacations as promised. The union and the company are saying to hold on just a few more months.

Bob waits. His wife is now pestering him about the so called raise. His kids want to take some electives, but he can't afford that. Forget about that new car. Soon, though, soon, Bob knows.

The union announces a contract is just around the corner. The company says they want to get this done asap. Bob is reassured.

Bob waits. The wife is now pissed. Where's the money, Bob? The kids come home for summer, but not going on vacation anywhere. The **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** car's AC went out again. The raise should be here by Fall.

It's now four years later, Bob is 49 and too old for an airline. If he leaves, he'll take a pay cut and even move, so he can't. He's stuck. So now he's pissed off, sad, agrivated, and frustrated with his decision making for the last four years.

But certainly he isn't thinking about any of that when he's flying at FL390.

Guess the cat got your tounge. Don't worry, I see it as an endorsment.

Perhaps 'Bob' is too busy getting his wife to dye her hair (he actually has always wanted a blonde) and getting her to learn french ('cause he has always regreted that he didn't have the guts to talk to that hot girl in Paris when he was 15). Good work Bob, get into a situation that doesn't work for you and then try to change it. Me, I guess I've always been too lazy, I just look for a better gig and let the laws of demand take over.

Ace

 

[Some Dude]

I ran into a dummy from FlexJets the other day. He was complaining about being woke up by the company. Interrupting his rest so on and so on. I told him he should call his POI. He told me his POI agreed with the company. I told him to call the FAA and report his POI as a complete dumba$$.

The FlexJet guy actually said "Maybe you guys at NetJets could call and report FlexJets for FAR violations."

I said" Maybe you should grow some hair on you ball sack become a man and report it yourself or vote in a union and let them handle it."

I don't have to break the FARs to keep my job at NJA. My union stands up for us.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I ran into a dummy from FlexJets the other day. He was complaining about being woke up by the company. Interrupting his rest so on and so on. I told him he should call his POI. He told me his POI agreed with the company. I told him to call the FAA and report his POI as a complete dumba$$.

The FlexJet guy actually said "Maybe you guys at NetJets could call and report FlexJets for FAR violations."

I said" Maybe you should grow some hair on you ball sack become a man and report it yourself or vote in a union and let them handle it."

I don't have to break the FARs to keep my job at NJA. My union stands up for us.

So is someone at NetJets demanding that you break FAR's?

I also love the contradiction....you want to tell someone else to "grow some hair on you ball sack become a man" and report the violation themselves, when you evidently dont have the nuts to do it yourself - you have to have a union do it for you.

 

[beytzim]

I guess there are 2200 stupid pilots at Netjets, and you Ace-Of-The_Base, is smarter than all of them. You must be a joy to fly with.

Netjets is a great company, except for the money. The schedule is great, the benefits are very good, job security is unmatched, the airplanes are well maintained, and despite the current bickering, the company follows the FARs to the letter. Yes, you can make 100k+ at joe's sh^t ball 135 charter company where you're only on call 24/7 seven days a week, you have to carry mx items all the time, cause that's the way the business is. So what if you have to ferry the airplane back if it exceeds 14 hours, it's a 91 ferry. Besides you should be happy, they paid your moving expenses when you left your childhood town to come there.

Look, buddy, I guess it was a mistake to believe other people. I guess some people are trusting of others - how ridiculous. Bob is not stupid. Bob wants a secure job where he's home with his wife and kids, where he flies well maintained airplanes. Got all that already. Bob just wants the salary that the CEO of the company promised, that's all.

 

[Hogprint]

Talked with a few Flex and Options crews out on the road this week.

Seems like the only company adhering letter-o-the law to 91k rules is NJA. Flex and Options still can be contacted after 10hrs of rest. I don't think this was the spirit of the 91k rest rules. This Options crew confirmed it was Okey Dokey with the POI. Can any Flex or Options folks confirm this info?

Now I wonder why NJA hasn't jumped on this bandwagon? Might it be we have a union that can and will fight for rest rules that are in line with the FAR's?

 

[dsptchrnja]

Now I wonder why NJA hasn't jumped on this bandwagon? Might it be we have a union that can and will fight for rest rules that are in line with the FAR's?

Hmmm.... NJI and EJM scheduling are abiding by the same rules. Could it could be we just obey the law? Perhaps you give your union too much credit.

 

[Hogprint]

Hmmm.... NJI and EJM scheduling are abiding by the same rules. Could it could be we just obey the law? Perhaps you give your union too much credit.

Come now man! NJA hates these work rules.

Perhaps they have to abide by the rules with no wiggle room because of the union. NJI and EJM may be lucky recipients of this work. Doesn't look good having us on different work rules does it? Sound familiar?

I wonder why NJA worked feverishly to get relief from 91k first day on? This alone has single-handedly put a huge crimp in their style! Do you really think that NJA would not be doing the same as the other Frax had it not been for the union?

Perhaps you have given too much credit to our company on this one.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Come now man! NJA hates these work rules.

Perhaps they have to abide by the rules with no wiggle room because of the union. NJI and EJM may be lucky recipients of this work. Doesn't look good having us on different work rules does it? Sound familiar?

I wonder why NJA worked feverishly to get relief from 91k first day on? This alone has single-handedly put a huge crimp in their style! Do you really think that NJA would not be doing the same as the other Frax had it not been for the union?

Perhaps you have given too much credit to our company on this one.

Yours is a valid point and I can't be dogmatic about my opinion here but all I can go on is past history. You do realize that we are talking about a company that doesn't let a pink slipped registration go 1 mile across the U.S. territory line, even if the destination is domestic and the STAR takes it outside, like HPN. You and I both know that no one from the company or FAA would care if we took the BUONO3 on a pink slip but the company took great lengths to make sure this was followed to the letter. Name one other company that does that to the degree we do. It's many examples like this that assure me we would be following something infinately more important like 91K rest requirements union or no union.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Please don't pass this stuff off as if it were true without citing examples.

MacNeer, here.....

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

I guess there are 2200 stupid pilots at Netjets, and you Ace-Of-The_Base, is smarter than all of them. You must be a joy to fly with.

Netjets is a great company, except for the money. The schedule is great, the benefits are very good, job security is unmatched, the airplanes are well maintained, and despite the current bickering, the company follows the FARs to the letter. Yes, you can make 100k+ at joe's sh^t ball 135 charter company where you're only on call 24/7 seven days a week, you have to carry mx items all the time, cause that's the way the business is. So what if you have to ferry the airplane back if it exceeds 14 hours, it's a 91 ferry. Besides you should be happy, they paid your moving expenses when you left your childhood town to come there.

Look, buddy, I guess it was a mistake to believe other people. I guess some people are trusting of others - how ridiculous. Bob is not stupid. Bob wants a secure job where he's home with his wife and kids, where he flies well maintained airplanes. Got all that already. Bob just wants the salary that the CEO of the company promised, that's all.

OK, my new buddy, a couple of things.

First, I find it interesting that you are offended by your "2200 stupid pilots" statment. But you go on to say, in so many words, that those of us that are making 6 figures, are working for "sh^t ball" companies. Remember, there are about 10,000 of us non-fractional pilots. Do you think WE are all that stupid. We took jobs knowing exactly what the pay was, and it worked for us. We did our research and found out exactly how the schedule was, and it also worked. We may or may not have had to move, but we knew exactly what we were getting into. We also did our research and found out exactly how they maintained the planes (doesn't it make sense to you that a company that is paying there captains 6 figures probably has the resources to take care of the plane?).

Second, when the "CEO of the company promised" that salary, did you get it in writing? Or did you write that one off to "trust" also. Just asking.

I believe that the majority of the NetJets piots are quite smart. Many of them are my friends. "Bob" however, is stupid. Just look at my first post if you want to know why.

Ace

 

[Some Dude]

Dispatcher, you sir are not very experienced yet. I can point to countless times I have been given trips outside the U.S. with a pink slip. Of course I have always caught the pink slip and never left the country. Let's talk about 135 outbound clearance with customs.....How about Program Managers telling crews "we need pilots who will fly in the gray zone of the FARs."

How many custom fines has the company paid? Did you know that just as recently as a few weeks ago Canada Customs threatened to confiscate one of our airplanes? Three tours ago I was filed TEB PBI over the water route with a pink slip. Sorry but you really don't know what happens on a daily basis here.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Dispatcher, you sir are not very experienced yet. I can point to countless times I have been given trips outside the U.S. with a pink slip. Of course I have always caught the pink slip and never left the country. Let's talk about 135 outbound clearance with customs.....How about Program Managers telling crews "we need pilots who will fly in the gray zone of the FARs."

How many custom fines has the company paid? Did you know that just as recently as a few weeks ago Canada Customs threatened to confiscate one of our airplanes? Three tours ago I was filed TEB PBI over the water route with a pink slip. Sorry but you really don't know what happens on a daily basis here.

The comments were based on the rules, not the mistakes.

BTW, I know with certainty that you have not been given "countless" trips outside the company with a pink slip since we have been enforcing this action. Little over the top there.

 

[Some Dude]

Dispatcher, I don't know if you are really one but I do feel for the dispatcher. How many flight plans do you do in a shift 50-60? NJA needs alot more of you. I have been here long before your department. It has been a big help and I could name a few (that I speak with on a regular basis) that do an exceptional job. I have also made it a point to pass along to management when a casino person has done a great job. I just wish the higher ups would get a clue how to run this place. How many VP do we have now 60 something? Yet nobody is accountable.

For years we didn't even have company core values until BH bought us. So, some changes have been good. The fact that the company put a freeze on hiring in the casino last year really hurt us in the long run.

 

[DX Rick]

When I read Flightinfo.com I take it with a grain of salt and believe maybe 2% of what I read.
A couple of days ago, I made a run to CMI and ran across a couple of NJ guys. I never spoke a word to them, but I over heard them for nearly 45 minute complain to everyone they came across (including other pax waiting for thier planes to arrive) about their working conditions, pay and QOL. Way to go guys!

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Little over the top there.

Maybe, but the violation/fine will be the pilot's and no one else's. So, a little hyperbole on his part is excusable.
The whole procedure for leaving the little flourescent cards behind after a document swap comes from this. Buddy of mine passed thru CMH 2 years ago, dropped off 3 admin folks, went inside to take a leak and then ferried up to YYZ. In the 20 minutes he was on the ground, they pink slipped him. Didn't find it till he got back. Result: 3 days suspension for improper preflight. Of course, nothing happened to the lady who swapped out the documents without telling him.

And 284 wasn't much help defending him.


CYA

 

[TurboJetCpt]

I, for one, am proud to be associated with NetJets. It's a great company to work for and we've come a long way. The spirit of the company is still alive in the hearts of the many dedicated, hard-working professionals that work here. Just not in the oustpoken few that choose to use this outlet to voice their contempt.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH HEEE HEEE HEE HEEE HEEEEEEEEEE

You are such a stupid ass !

 

[Some guy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH HEEE HEEE HEE HEEE HEEEEEEEEEE

You are such a stupid ass !

I'll bet you get beat up a lot in high school don't you?

 

[FredGarvin]

Hey just wondering if any of you were one of the 100 or so crewmembers excused from work mid-tour, and sent home at company expense to take care of your houses and family during one the busier weekends this month because of the hurricane?

It must be really awful to work such an evil guy as Santulli.

Netjets really sucks!

 

[gunfyter]

Its the right thing to do. What's your point Fred.

Who would not send employees home during an emergency?

Who would continue to work for such a company?

Who would want to fly as pax an a flight with the pilot whose home and family are being pounded by a hurricane. Will he be rested and able to concentrate on your flight?

Its the right thing to do and credit is given for doing the right thing.... But you don't get a Medal for it.

Any shift or office worker would not show up to work under the same circumstances. Anybody travelling on company business at any company would be allowed to return home.

We are doing the right thing but I would imagine a company that did not do the right thing in a case like this and had employees who had family casualties in a disaster that could have been avoided if the employee were allowed to take care of the home situation... that company might be open to law suits.

But that is not us. We are doing the right thing. The only decent thing. But you do not get a medal for taking care of your people during an emergency. Taking care of your people is a Leadership Responsibility.

We do a good job of it. But its not like we can opt NOT to do a good job of it. When you have an operation that depends on sending people on the road for more than half of their life... this is a COST of DOING Business.

 

[dukeofdub]

Gunfyter - is right.

Gunfyter, I agree with you 100%. This is a cost of doing business and it is the right thing to do. Not all companies feel the same way today. It is good that the company doesn't follow the letter of the law in this case, as there would not be pilots going home in the hurricane zone to take care of their families and their homes. It isn't always as bad as it seems between the company and the pilots.