NJA Struggling?

[hyflyin]

Couldn't agree with you more.




No cult. It's just a good company run by good people who understand that to keep the client happy, you need to keep the employees happy. Many companies outside of aviation get this. This is the first aviation company that I've worked for that gets it. I think RTS is on a very short list of good managers in aviation.

Is it perfect?, nope, but it's as close to it as I've seen in my 13 years of getting paid to fly.

Best of luck to us all.

While I think keeping us happy is important, I don't think its a very large part of it. There are obviously many factors. I think we have seen furloughs at frac companies for anticipated deliveries. As for NJA, we have run a hiring deficit for at least 2 yrs now. Last year they only managed to hire 50% of the amount they wanted because of availability of training slots. If we were to furlough, lets remember the fact that we have 8 a/c types. Can you imagine the training costs? Can you imagine what will happen when the economy recovers?? Training, hiring, re-training would be impossible. Furloughs here are not a short term answer. As stated by Christensen and Jacobs, we have weathered 3 recessions and never furloughed. We will weather this one, we will be leaner, stronger, and provide a product that nobody else can because of our size (we must continue to work on our customer service skills though, this is no time to be complacent). We will be ready when this recession ends to become larger, stronger than we are.

If we eventually do furlough it will be for the long term, but I suspect by that time most of the smaller companies will be on the verge of extinction or extinct. By then, we will all be in trouble. Hang in there people, save your pennies and live smart.

 

[B19 Flyer]

At least ALPA took several concessions over the years to save thier respective companies. The UAW thugs said NO to concessions and demanded that the American tax payer bail them out. Well ******************** them. Let this recession naturally weed out the weak companies, and build on the strong. The way it is supposed to be.

The only time ALPA has said "YES" to concessions was when the company was facing complete closure or there was a bankruptcy looming where the judge was going to make the decision for them.

UAW will mirror the ALPA method of doing business and will not take concessions until they are either forced to by a bankruptcy judge or the final paycheck is in sight.

If you want to consider the "Big 3" US automakers weak because they are not able to absorb the average of an additional $20. per hour per employee of wages and benefits over the cost of the other car manufacturers that's up to you, but it doesn't take a financial expert to consider that a large part ot that weakness is the high cost of labor they need to bite off rather than the others.

This also holds true in aviation, those airlines with large contracts can't be as competitive as those that don't.

Remember, that the hourly wages are nearly identical, it's the work rules and benefits that are the separating factors.

 

[learflyer]

That's freaking hilarious! National Security!! Just in case Russia invades us we need to be able to move troops forward in a convoy of Chevy Malibu's and Ford Focuses. Well..at least the ones that start.

And yeah...the UAW are a bunch of thugs.

:laugh: . Thugs is right. A bunch of fat dudes on the assembly line making more than airline pilots makes me sick. There is enough cars for everyone for the next 20 freakin' years.

 

[BeeDubya]

This also holds true in aviation, those airlines with large contracts can't be as competitive as those that don't.

Often true... So you're suggesting that the Lorenzos, Ferrises, Ornsteins, Riccis and Tiltons of the world should make windfall profits on the backs of working men and women? A real Oskar Schindler...

Oh, isn't Southwest the MOST profitable airline and the MOST Unionized -- like EVERY working group within the airline?

 

[B19 Flyer]

Often true... So you're suggesting that the Lorenzos, Ferrises, Ornsteins, Riccis and Tiltons of the world should make windfall profits on the backs of working men and women?

Oh, isn't Southwest the MOST profitable airline and the MOST Unionized -- like EVERY working group within the airline?

How many jobs have they saved or created? Does it really make a difference how much money they make? How many jobs has Bill Gates or Warren Buffet created or saved?

Lorenzo gets tagged with Eastern, but he also saved Continental and all the carriers that were merged into it. You think any of those pilots at CAL will give him credit for saving the company? Of course not. CAL was toast until he became involved.


Nobody remembers any of the safe and uneventful flights but they will remember the one accident even if nobody is hurt.

Everybody likes to use SWA as the model, but if the CBA is so successful, why haven't other unions copied it? Because it shares the pain as well as the gain. The next SWA won't be based on profit sharing and the union is already going away from it. Then, they will be like all the rest.

 

[brokeflyer]

management will destroy the whole industry, fact

 

[B19 Flyer]

management will destroy the whole industry, fact

$20.00 per hour per person.

The others will survive and the new standard to stay in the business and make a living at it will be:

$20.00 per hour per person less, without UAW involved.

 

[brokeflyer]

so people are to live in this economy in poverty?.....no wonder mangement ruins companies, thanks for confirming.

 

[cherry20's]

Hey B19 and Broke,

Are you guys gonna fight on every thread that FI has or what?

We get it, B19, you don't like unions, Broke, you don't like Mgmt.

Can't we all just get along. Obama's gonna fix everything, no we needed McCain, no Obama, blah blah blah. Come on guys, its getting old! I can't be the only one thinking this, right?

 

[clydefastly]

I second that.

 

[Nolife]

Lorenzo gets tagged with Eastern, but he also saved Continental and all the carriers that were merged into it. You think any of those pilots at CAL will give him credit for saving the company? Of course not. CAL was toast until he became involved.

Wow... someone actually cheered Lorenzo publicly. Now I have seen it all.

 

[Publishers]

According to broke, a manager who sees his market diminish should be castigated for ruining the company by terminating employees to bring into balance his workforce for the jobs at hand. There is a absolutely no recognition of the concept that managementt has the inherent right to manage the asset at hand for the owners or shareholders, to their and only their satisfaction.
If all management is bad, then surely too are the people like Santuli and others who created and crafted companies like Netjets where opportunities were created for pilots in a business that did not exist some short period of time ago.
If Buffet and Santuli decided tomorrow morning to shutter Netjets as they no longer saw the future viability of the company or it did not meet their objectives for growth and profits, is it not both only their right may it not also be they are good managers defending the assets they have and employing them as they see fit.
B19 sees labor unions as unproductive. Are they inherently bad or are they just prehistoric in their ability to deal in a county wehre small business may well be more important than large. They have certainly demonstrated an inability to respond in a timely manner to major changes in the market. The situation today in the auto bailout is the best point you could make for a union showing it will only change last and when there is no choice.
NJOwner makes the point that the owner wants to go when he wants to go and that they are willing to pay for that ability. Nevertheless, if one gets to the point where they can no longer pay or do not want to pay that premium, Nethjets will shrink just as fast as any other, no matter how well managed, no matter what union in power.

 

[brokeflyer]

I only say that stuff to directly challenge what b19 says....I dont know him and I dont care what his motives are.

I really don't care what managment does. But I find it rather comical to just outright bash someone who has no other intent then to just bash someone or something.

My objective is to take care of my family, and if that means taking te deal the union gives me over the company then so be it. If the company comes out with a bigger deal than the union? well then the union will most likely get voted down. Kinda funny how that hasn't happened. Thinking long term, management sure don't have a history of paying for this service we provide with any earth shattering salary. Most of the time it about 20% below the poverty line.

 

[Buckeye]

Hey B19, tell me again why USA Jet Airlines is going out of business and why they dump on their employees? And remember you washed up old tool they are NON UNION, let me repeat that NON UNION. So we have a FAILURE OF MANAGEMENT, that means tools like yourself, failed kinda like you have at your own company. So that kinda makes you a loser again, your wife and kids must be so proud. Merry Christmas.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Wow. When the MODERATOR bashes you, it might be time to re-think a few things Merry Christmas!