nja owner tell me this ?

[hammer2]

Have you considered flex and if so why did you choose nja over flex? Flex hasa better product than nja, we are like a sedan, nja is like a taxi cab. They are much bigger than us , but they will never absorb us or put us out of business. We are here to stay, and not only stay, but shine above the rest of the facs. Nja owner if you still read this board give us insight why you chose nja over flex.

 

[xcrew]

Everybody duck, incoming!

 

[400A]

Everybody duck, incoming!

Hang on ya'll, Let me get my Beer and Popcorn.... This is gonna be good....

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Oh, Mercy......

HONEY, GET THE KEVLAR AND HEAD FOR THE BASEMENT!!!!!!!

 

[old*art]

yucka da yucka da yucka da - they really ought to charge admission to this site ! This is better than sex and not near as dusty lol.

 

[batsky2000]

Hey Hammer,

Make sure that you pass the crack pipe to all of your buds over at flex, they may start to post the same crap that you are.

P.S. "Hasa" is not a real word, it must be crack pipe language!!

 

[hammer2]

I'm not going to argue with the pilots, the horse has been beat with a lead pipe, and you loose, even with your pay. I want nja owner to come on and explain why he would invest so much money on something second rate. Where are you nja owner. Give us your expert opinion. x or cl300 I bet this is a tough choice. moron. Hasa is a typo of many typos

 

[tk855]

I sure want to give my business to a company where the pilots call me a moron! I think you have answered your own question.

 

[flx757]

Give us your expert opinion.

OK. Here you go:

No one took your bait the first time, so you try again...right?

Maybe they couldn't make heads or tails out of THIS statement:
"the horse has been beet with a lead pipe, and you loose".

A "beet" is a plant whose root is eaten as a vegetable. And "loose" means the opposite of "tight".

My recommendation? Try again with your flame bait.:laugh:

 

[batsky2000]

Flx,
As you can see he is still on the crack pipe smoking some serious stuff, making up some new words, it seems that he corrected them once you pointed out his errors, his brain is fried

By the way Hammer, you are hurting yourself, maybe people choose Netjets for the various options in aircraft, one day you only need to fly your Citation X, the next day you need to upgrade to a G-IV or a BBJ, Flex does not give you that option, Yes you have some very good aircraft in your fleet, but not many options, Netjets just has more to choose from and people trust knowing that Warren B owns us, it makes a difference, now go back to smoking your pipe, kill some more brain cells if you still have any left

 

[NewFlex]

My girlfriend is prettier than your's.

Nanny Nanny Boo Boo

 

[hammer2]

This isn't a stab at the pilots. I'm sure that we all fly about the same, in fact I would love to ship about 20 to nja. Owners at flex have the same option to upgrade as well, although your right there is no equal to the G-IV at flex. 757 you were quick
I edited that right away.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Another major selling point for NetJets is our ability to recover flights with our own a/c. If one of our planes break, especially east of the Mississippi, there is a very good chance that there is a plane and crew fairly close to recover the trip. I have heard several owners mention this as a very good feature.

Just out of curiousity....what is the pilot count and a/c count for Flex? Those Canadairs are beautiful planes.

 

[Semore Butts]

Ummmm???????

Let me see, as a former Flexjet "sedan" driver (Lear 60) I have to say I much prefer the "taxi" (Hawker 800) I drive at Netjets.

I am much happier as a taxi driver.

7 on........ 7 off......... 7 on.......... 7 off........

Yes this horse has been beaten to mush.

 

[JTrain]

Out of curiosity, how come Bombardier doesn't have the Global Express in the FlexJet program? Seems to me if they wanted to match NJ with options from entry level a/c through mid-sized and inter-continental range, the Global Express would be a logical addition. Yes, the CL604 can cross the pond and beyond, but the Global Express is more in the Gulfstrem category.

 

[TORCH67]

Sounds like somebody didnt get an application in the mail !!!! Maybe some anger mgt classes are in order at your next recurrent! Hammer, you should stick to your day job!

 

[batsky2000]

The only day job he has is crack pipe smoking and making new words up, to be honest it is very comical.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I edited that right away.

And still couldn't get it right.

 

[ghostrider64]

Who says he doesn't already fly on our competitors?

 

[leardawg]

www.carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/famousnuke6.jpg

 

[X man]

Nja

Someone in the heat of battle said "Trust Warren B", wo wait a minute here, thats like taking a job behind the counter of a Major Hotel and telling Russell Crowe to get stuffed isn't it! WHERE IS THE PHONE!

 

[aussiefly]

Another major selling point for NetJets is our ability to recover flights with our own a/c. If one of our planes break, especially east of the Mississippi, there is a very good chance that there is a plane and crew fairly close to recover the trip. I have heard several owners mention this as a very good feature.

Just out of curiousity....what is the pilot count and a/c count for Flex? Those Canadairs are beautiful planes.

BINGO. This is a great reason. I have a friend who holds the marquis jetcard for a corp he works for and this exact same thing happened to him. Plane broke down and netjets had a new aircraft and crew to him in about an hour. Now in my opinion thats pretty awesome.

Also, the netjets pilots are pretty down to earth and willing to talk to their clientele. When I picked james up at the other end they let me have a look inside and ask questions about the aircraft because they knew I was a pilot. Now they really didnt have to do that.

 

[Hogprint]

THey did at one time...

Out of curiosity, how come Bombardier doesn't have the Global Express in the FlexJet program? Seems to me if they wanted to match NJ with options from entry level a/c through mid-sized and inter-continental range, the Global Express would be a logical addition. Yes, the CL604 can cross the pond and beyond, but the Global Express is more in the Gulfstrem category.

Jtrain, they had three a few years ago, but then sold them (I'm pretty sure it was flex and not options). Maybe a Flex bubba can clear it up.

 

[JTrain]

Jtrain, they had three a few years ago, but then sold them (I'm pretty sure it was flex and not options). Maybe a Flex bubba can clear it up.

Thanks - I'd like to know the answer on this subject, if possible, as we attempt to steal this thread back from the neverending NJA vs Flex vs Flops vs CS battles

 

[Club ORD FO]

As far as the global's go, I'm told we had three on order, but we were only able to sell shares on one of them... and maybe not even all the shares on that plane. They wanted to have at least three airplanes sold in order to bring that aircraft online... I guess they figured they can not have a smooth operation with only one airplane. That would create scheduling conflicts and major headaches if the plane breaks. So, they cancelled the orders.

I'm not sure what the difference in cost is, but I guess a lot of owners just go with the 604. The global was a hard sell evidently

Too bad tho... the global is a nice plane

 

[NJAowner]

Here it is

Sorry guys -- I was out of town for a few days and not online.

The overwhelming reason why I never seriously considered Flex when I originally went with NJA was $$$. Until recently, when you purchased a share in your jet from Flex you owned it for 5 years (the term of the management contract). At the end of the 5 years, you sold your share back at its current value and then needed to buy a new share at at the then current prices. In other words, you needed to cough up much more $$$ to fly in the same planes. They admitted to doing this to sell more planes for the parent. With NJA, you continue to own your share and at the end of the 5 year term just pay the new management fee. No need to cough up more $$$.

Example, you put $1,000,000 into a share for 5 years. After 5 years, you sell your share back to Flex for 70% = $700,000. A new share in the same jet is now over $1,200,000. To continue flying the same fleet, you need to come up with another $500,000. This cost Flex many sales. I believe in the past 1-2 years Flex elimiated this and made its strructure more like NJA's.

Reason #2 was what I would call "depth of the fleet". I fly in and out of a small Rocky Mountain airport several times per year. I am friendly with a Flex owner in the area. When there are last minute mechanical problems, it is not uncommon for him to wait 6-8 hours for another plane. Just not enough planes in the neighborhood. My delay is usually 1-2 hours out west, minutes on the East Coast. The ability to get a replacement plane to out of the way locations has been a problem (according to the few owners at the others which I know) for CS, Flex, FLops. It is not a problem along the East and West coasts, but can be in the middle of nowhere.

Fly safe.

 

[hammer2]

Sorry guys -- I was out of town for a few days and not online.

The overwhelming reason why I never deriously considered Flex when I originally went with NJA was $$$. Until recently, when you purchased a share in your jet from Flex you owned it for 5 years (the term of the management contract). At the end of the 5 years, you sold your share back at its current value and then needed to buy a new share at at the then current prices. In other words, you needed to cough up much more $$$ to fly in the same planes. They admitted to doing this to sell more planes for the parent. With NJA, you continue to own your share and at the end of the 5 year term just pay the new management fee. No need to cough up more $$$.

Example, you put $1,000,000 into a share for 5 years. After 5 years, you sell your share back to Flex for 70% = $700,000. A new share in the same jet is now over $1,200,000. To continue flying the same fleet, you need to come up with another $500,000. This cost Flex many sales. I believe in the past 1-2 years Flex elimiated this and made its strructure more like NJA's.

Reason #2 was what I would call "depth of the fleet". I fly in and out of a small Rocky Mountain airport several times per year. I am friendly with a Flex owner in the area. When there are last minute mechanical problems, it is not uncommon for himn to wait 6-8 hours for another plane. Just not enough planes in the neighborhood. My delay is usually 1-2 hours out west, minutes ont he East Coast. The ability to get a replacement plane to out of the way locations has been a problem (according to the few owners at the others which I know) for CS, Flex, FLops. It is not a problem along the East and West coasts, but can be in the middle of no where.Fly safe.

Nja owner thanks for responding. I really hope flex managment reads this. NJA owner I hope we can get your consideration next time around. Thanks for the reply. Guys hope I didn't offend anybody.

 

[acaTerry]

JTRAIN,
Check your PMs.

 

[AirChef]

Yes Club ORD FO, we had three

 

[GVFlyer]

Frac Comparison

The overwhelming reason why I never seriously considered Flex when I originally went with NJA was $$$.

I think you may find that Flex has improved. One of our senior execs wanted a private 1/8th share in a mid-sized cabin aircraft so we helped him run the wickets on his purchase. This is what we found.

Citation Excel / XLS 100 Hours

Netjets: $1,312,500, Monthly Mgmt. $14,524, Occupied Hourly Fee $1,804.

Citation Shares: $1,312,000, Monthly Mgmt. $15,200, Occupied Hourly Fee $1900.

Learjet 45XR 100 Hours

FlexJet: $1,258,000, Monthly Mgmt. $11,320, Occupied Hourly Fee $1,650.

Our guy went with Flex and got a Lear 45XR with a set number of upgrade hours in the Challenger CL300 for less than he could have purchased a Citation XLS from either NetJets or Citation Shares. Another determining factor for him was that the experience level for Flex's Lear 45 pilots was higher than that of NetJets' or Citation Shares' Citation pilots.

GV





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