nja owner tell me this ?

[400A]

Any employee of a company who has his competitors' best interests at heart ought not to be long for that company. I'm sorry you don't see it that way, and for that reason I'm glad you're not an NJA employee.

Industries with no competition rarely do well.

 

[Ultra Grump]

...Why not wish each other well? Since when does philosophical outlook affect job performance?...Withholding camaraderie might make life less pleasant out on the road for your fellow pilots in the industry, but it won't make or break the companies they fly for.

You make a whole lot of leaps in logic. Since when does hoping and helping my company be the best, and ultimately only, fractional equate to "withholding cameraderie?" I've been nothing but friendly and helpful to other fractionals' pilots on the road. That has nothing whatsoever to do with whether I care if their company goes out of business tomorrow. I am not the touchy-feely person you obviously are, and can separate business and personal feelings. Since you are incapable of arguing the given statements, rather than making up non-existent sentiments, I am done with this particular conversation.

Industries with no competition rarely do well.

You may be right. But isn't every company's goal ultimately to drive the competition out of the marketplace, grabbing marketshare along the way?

 

[gunfyter]

You may be right. But isn't every company's goal ultimately to drive the competition out of the marketplace, grabbing marketshare along the way?

Is it also their goal to pay me as little as possible? They can't do that if there is upward salary competition from competitors.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Is it also their goal to pay me as little as possible? They can't do that if there is upward salary competition from competitors.

You know it is, but that doesn't make me wrong. However, you assume that just because CS is getting paid more, we will as well. If we are the only frac, we are the industry standard, and we are not competing in the race to the bottom (see the regionals for more examples). If we are the only pilot group (union) trying to increase wages, we will have tremendous power to affect the wage scales. Why do you think Delta never wanted to merge mainline and their wholly-owneds? It would give too much power to the pilot group (this is also a big motivator for 1108 to absorb more frac pilots).

Just because there are other pilot groups trying to get better salaries does not mean they will succeed. There is no guarantee the other fracs will unionize, let alone make any meaningful gains in wages. If Flops and Flex pilot wages remain below ours, which way is the pressure going to be applied in our next negotiations? Your competition scenario works both ways. I like the odds better if we're the only ones.

 

[Ultra Grump]

They can't do that if there is upward salary competition from competitors.

Come to think of it, that's precisely the thinking that got the ALPA carriers' pilot groups where they are now.

 

[gunfyter]

Come to think of it, that's precisely the thinking that got the ALPA carriers' pilot groups where they are now.

No thats how they got the pay UP. Osama bin LaidOff is how they got where they are now.

 

[Ultra Grump]

You're right, it is how they increased the pay, and it's also how it's going back down.

Regarding the discussion of competition, monopolies, and the goals of companies, this hot off the presses:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2006-04-05-apple-pc_x.htm

By the way, what does Osama bin Laden have to do with the current record numbers of passengers, the price of oil, and the refusal of airline management to charge what it costs to provide the service?