NJ Telluride Incident

[XTW]

Everyone is trying to make more out of this than needs be. It appears to be an incident, thankfully one in which no one was hurt. None of us were there and we don't know what conditions that crew were dealing with. We do know that they are a highly trained professional crew. Enough of the Monday morning quarterbacking and let the investigation let us know what went wrong.


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[illinipilot]

Within the last two or three years, Cessna and NJ have lifted the requirement to stow the T/Rs at 40kts, at least for the encore. It's no longer even a required callout.

 

[CL300Pilot]

As was stated earlier, thank god no one was hurt.

 

[o2bflyn]

Within the last two or three years, Cessna and NJ have lifted the requirement to stow the T/Rs at 40kts, at least for the encore. It's no longer even a required callout.

don't really know about the encore maybe its different, but on the 500 series cessnas never really had a limitation on stowing the TR, rather the limitation was to have idle thrust with tr's deployed below 60 knots.

 

[400A]

Everyone is trying to make more out of this than needs be. It appears to be an incident, thankfully one in which no one was hurt. None of us were there and we don't know what conditions that crew were dealing with. We do know that they are a highly trained professional crew. Enough of the Monday morning quarterbacking and let the investigation let us know what went wrong.


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Easy Big Fella, you seem to be the one over reacting. Not one person has "Monday morning Quarterbacked" Not one person has been negative towards the crew or blamed them for anything.

I do not know about anyone else, but I review these things to learn. Not to sell out a crew. Citations are known to have a weak nose gear. Any Aircraft could have a hydraulic problem. The more we learn about other incidents, the more we know what to look for ourselves.

 

[doh]

At least they won't be able to blame this one on pilot error! ...contributing factor that the F/O failed to get out and run along side the aircraft and hold the nose of the ground. Glad they walked away, and you can bet your sweet --- that they did all they could!:beer: It actually looks repairable.

 

[say again]

Although you have to admit, its kinda sad when the media calls it a "rough landing" and someone on a pilot board calls it a "crash".

Shouldnt those positions be reversed?

Very true, but still no need to get all hysterical on the guy.

 

[skiandsurf]

Line guys said no one was hurt. But right after it happened there seemed to be a serious effort to put a lid on the accident and not let any information out

Most everyone wants to keep these incidents or accidents out of the news. I remember seeing the FedEx DC10, that crashed and burned at MEM. They went out there and painted over the FED EX name. Still obvious whose plane it was.

And NJs at Telluride. I read that the nose wheel collapsed, but also heard that winds were not favorable. Was that a factor? I dont know.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

At least they won't be able to blame this one on pilot error! ...contributing factor that the F/O failed to get out and run along side the aircraft and hold the nose of the ground. Glad they walked away, and you can bet your sweet --- that they did all they could!:beer: It actually looks repairable.

I know of an incident where the pilots porpoised on landing so hard they broke the nose gear.

Anything is repairable. How much do you want to spend.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

They porpoised a CII.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Listen up jacka$$

You're an idiot! You obviously work for one of the failing competitors of Netjets to publish such crap. A nose gear collapse is not a crash.

OK you jacka$$, listen up.

I used the exact charicterzation that was used by personnel on the ground in Telluride to describe and ask a question about an event/incident that your company seems to be hiding from.

If your company chooses not to acknowledged the event in any way, and use the opportunity to place the event in an accurate context, the resulting information vacuum leaves the event open to speculation, mis information, and mis charicterzation. Point your ignorant finger at your management to place blame where it belongs.

And lastly you arrogant, elitiest, snoby pri{k, you can kiss my fractional a$$.

 

[learflyer]

Flops has a nicer OCC, so there.

 

[fly4ever]

SS,

The incident was acknowledged. It was reported in the NTSB daily report, the local news, etc. The company did not try to hide it, the crew did what is required by our FOM and the company responded securing the aircraft for the investigation. The "context" of the incident is being investigated so exactly how does the company provide YOU with an "accurate" report when the investigation is ongoing and the facts are being gathered? Why do you think you are entitled to such a report? You are the one who is engaged in speculation, misinformation and mis-characterization. There is no blame to be placed at least until the investigation is complete.

 

[SilverSurfer]

SS,

The incident was acknowledged. It was reported in the NTSB daily report, the local news, etc. The company did not try to hide it, the crew did what is required by our FOM and the company responded securing the aircraft for the investigation. The "context" of the incident is being investigated so exactly how does the company provide YOU with an "accurate" report when the investigation is ongoing and the facts are being gathered? Why do you think you are entitled to such a report? You are the one who is engaged in speculation, misinformation and mis-characterization. There is no blame to be placed at least until the investigation is complete.

Sorry bro i didn't get daily NTSB report. I did not engage in speculation, and I characterized the event exactly as it was to me.

I simply asked a open question based on the information I had. It was not to take a poke at NJ or the pilots. The only response that I took exception to was this MOORON hawkered.

 

[fly4ever]

I hear ya.

I've heard other events characterized in a totally wrong way and have made the mistake of jumping to wrong conclusions/assumptions too based on what I thought was good info. I finally learned to be a lot more patient and wait for the final word from peeps higher up the food chain.

 

[SilverSurfer]

I hear ya.

I've heard other events characterized in a totally wrong way and have made the mistake of jumping to wrong conclusions/assumptions too based on what I thought was good info. I finally learned to be a lot more patient and wait for the final word from peeps higher up the food chain.

Thats why I asked the question on this board. I felt if the right info was anywhere it would be here.

 

[fly4ever]

No problem here.

We all just need to take a deep breath when something happens and think about how it might happen to any of us and how would we want it to be handled.

Our FOM and our Union both provide guidance to protect passengers (fortunately not necessary in the TEX incident), crew and property/aircraft. We are responsible to follow that guidance leading up to and during the investigation. It is in the best interest of everyone involved - crew, pax, families. company.

Regards

 

[cougar12]

No problem here.

We all just need to take a deep breath when something happens and think about how it might happen to any of us and how would we want it to be handled.

Our FOM and our Union both provide guidance to protect passengers (fortunately not necessary in the TEX incident), crew and property/aircraft. We are responsible to follow that guidance leading up to and during the investigation. It is in the best interest of everyone involved - crew, pax, families. company.

Regards

No problem here either! We all understand the process and a companies stance and actions during these times. We all would want the same respect if we have the misfortune to be in a similar situation. All, the best to the crew! I am sure they acted as professionals. All, of us frac pilots are!

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Thats why I asked the question on this board. I felt if the right info was anywhere it would be here.

Wow. You're either

A) Naive
B) Stupid
C) New, or
D) All of the above!


*Please accept this post in the spirit of good humor.

 

[CA1900]

Coming to Flightinfo for accurate information? That's like going to MTV to find music...