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[waveflyer]

great post Flynhi-- the avatar is the only thing that ruins it. well said.

So i'll get off my previous soapbox and ask some genuine questions:

are there any penalties if the east continues on their previous course? What compels them to act and negotiate to implement Nic? Do you get money from USAPA now - b/c there certainly has been a HUGE financial hit to the west b/c of their delays. Has the judge recognized that every day they delay is a win for them and does he have a plan to make you whole?

 

[gutshotdraw]

From what I have read, USAPA is going to appeal, again, this time to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. They will get their a$$es handed to them, again, and they will probably appeal, again, to the Supreme Court which I doubt will hear the case. By the time it's settled, half the fossils at USAir will be rocking their chairs on the front porch collecting their pitiful pensions and the number owed to the Westies will be larger than the GDP of several banana republics. Pathetic all the way around.

 

[Sandhawk]

By the time it's settled, half the fossils at USAir will be rocking their chairs on the front porch collecting their pitiful pensions and the number owed to the Westies will be larger than the GDP of several banana republics. Pathetic all the way around.

Hopefully, their pensions can be garnished to pay for the damages that will be awarded for the ANGRY FO Club experiment.

I'm sure that the senior retiring Eastwipes will try to skate out of any debts they owe and pawn it off on the "junior" guys out East.

(Donning Flame Resistant Suit and running for the hills)

imp:

 

[TWA Dude]

T-dub- i can list off 20 blue collar professions that carry their payscale across jobs and it works.

That's more of a supply-vs-demand issue. If or when airlines become desperate for pilots they'll come to the unions for relief -- and that'll cost them.

Seniority is necessary- but we still need to be able to change companies w/o the catastrophic hit to our finances and lives.

Sure that would be great but it ain't going to happen. You need to remember why the seniority system we're bound by was set up in the first place. It's a necessary evil to protect us from egregious management. Management certainly hasn't gotten any friendlier thus the seniority system has to stay in place.

Talk to any other professional in the market- blue to white- and they will immediately react with "well that's dumb...."

Ask them how they feel when higher-paid workers get laid off in favor of keeping more lower-paid workers.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

From what I have read, USAPA is going to appeal, again, this time to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals...

Let 'em try.

I'll bet right now that the 9th Circuit Court won't even take the case. Why would they? Two credible judges have already ruled against USAPA.

I can't think of any court that would accept the appeal at this point.

 

[gutshotdraw]

USAPA leadership has said they will appeal and I haven't any idea if the court will accept the case. This I do know: if the 9th Circuit does take the case, USAPA will LOSE. AGAIN.

 

[doh]

I just keep butting my head up against the "what happens when there are no more appeals" question. There is no strategy beyond that. Then the angry FO club is really going to be angry.

 

[waveflyer]

again- what are the penalties if the east continues to delay?

 

[cactusboy53]

again- what are the penalties if the east continues to delay?

Contempt of court? Maybe Cleary, Mowrey and the gang spend a few nights in Joe Arpaio's tent city????? Free pink jumpsuits & underwear. Baloney sandwiches for lunch.

 

[FR8mastr]

Where are you guys coming up with union delays?

What on Earth makes you think Doug wants a contract with any kind of raise when he has the worst paid pilots in the country?

I know the only thing you guys like to do is bash USAPA, but are you really on here crying because they have not come up with another concessionary contract?

Have any of you even bothered to look at the price you will pay in order to get the 3% raise promised by your hero? A contract is much more than an hourly number.

Yea I know all that does not fit into the USAPA is the root of all evil campaign. Just try and remember in about 5 years or so, you and your fellow USAPA bashers will actually be running it. Who will you blame then?

 

[TWA Dude]

Just try and remember in about 5 years or so, you and your fellow USAPA bashers will actually be running it.

There's that 5-year promise again. In 1999 I was told I'd be a TWA captain in five years. In 2004 I was told I'd be an AWA captain in 5-7 years. You'll forgive us if we don't take your word for it. We'll believe it when it happens and not a day sooner.

Who will you blame then?

The damage caused by the East's withdrawal from contract negotiations in 2007 will last the rest of our careers. Someday even you may realize where the blame lies.

 

[PHXFLYR]

There's that 5-year promise again. In 1999 I was told I'd be a TWA captain in five years. In 2004 I was told I'd be an AWA captain in 5-7 years. You'll forgive us if we don't take your word for it. We'll believe it when it happens and not a day sooner.The damage caused by the East's withdrawal from contract negotiations in 2007 will last the rest of our careers. Someday even you may realize where the blame lies.

Beeeeeauuutiful ....!!!!! Couldn't have said it any better myself if I tried.:beer:


PHXFLYR

 

[DOVPILOT]

Maybe Republic can buy US.

watch out what you wish for, it may happen before you know it!!!

 

[DOVPILOT]

will last the rest of our careers.....

Well, that all depends on how OLD you are...LOL

 

[PHXFLYR]

Where are you guys coming up with union delays?

What on Earth makes you think Doug wants a contract with any kind of raise when he has the worst paid pilots in the country?

I know the only thing you guys like to do is bash USAPA, but are you really on here crying because they have not come up with another concessionary contract?

Have any of you even bothered to look at the price you will pay in order to get the 3% raise promised by your hero? A contract is much more than an hourly number.

Yea I know all that does not fit into the USAPA is the root of all evil campaign. Just try and remember in about 5 years or so, you and your fellow USAPA bashers will actually be running it. Who will you blame then?

Interesting choice of words and sort of ties in with some recent and rather nasty PM's recently exchanged between east pilots and west on another webboard. Is this another veiled threat from the angry FO club ?? Or am I taking this out of context ??? Care to clarify what exactly is meant by the phrase "the price you will pay ???? " I'm sure we would all like to know.

PHXFLYR