NEWSFLASH: Log just 30 HRS airplane time and anyone can fly an airliner!

[inthegoo]

hmmmm

then there will be fewer new commercial pilots out there to take the low paying jobs and we will be able to demand higher salaries.

already happenin/not happenin

????????????????????

(did he say "demand"?)

 

[30West]

The FAA's "Pinch Hitter" program hits the big leagues!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This is already being implemeneted in Austrailia. It will be fine tuned and made applicalble to the US.

All of this is being done on the political level.... The last thing management wants to do is raise the wages and work rules...so they come up with schemes like this....

You can whine on this message boards about how you think it should be and declare that MPL's "just ain't right and they are all that is wrong in this world" or you can get involved...

Some one said it is all about the Benjamins... well the real question is..how many Bennies do you give to support your profession....

I feel sorry for the Colgan pilots and Skywest pilots... they will get this crammed into thier world all while the duct tape is secure about thier faces...

 

[timmay]

This is already being implemeneted in Austrailia. It will be fine tuned and made applicalble to the US.

All of this is being done on the political level.... The last thing management wants to do is raise the wages and work rules...so they come up with schemes like this....

You can whine on this message boards about how you think it should be and declare that MPL's "just ain't right and they are all that is wrong in this world" or you can get involved...

Some one said it is all about the Benjamins... well the real question is..how many Bennies do you give to support your profession....

I feel sorry for the Colgan pilots and Skywest pilots... they will get this crammed into thier world all while the duct tape is secure about thier faces...

your absolutely right the last thing management wants to do is raise pay. The thing your missing is that management isnt afraid of ALPA, they have been spanking the unions for six years with no signs of change. The thing that scares them is not being able to attract new pilots.

Pay and work rules will improve but not because of ALPA or any other union but from lack of new people willing to do this job as a profession. You slam colgan and skywest but at least they get to keep there 2 percent.

 

[JoeMerchant]

This is already being implemeneted in Austrailia. It will be fine tuned and made applicalble to the US.

All of this is being done on the political level.... The last thing management wants to do is raise the wages and work rules...so they come up with schemes like this....

You can whine on this message boards about how you think it should be and declare that MPL's "just ain't right and they are all that is wrong in this world" or you can get involved...

Some one said it is all about the Benjamins... well the real question is..how many Bennies do you give to support your profession....

I feel sorry for the Colgan pilots and Skywest pilots... they will get this crammed into thier world all while the duct tape is secure about thier faces...[/quote]

Yeah.... they won't stand up like those strong union regionals..... Just watch Mesa, PCL, ASA, CHQ, etc.... Get real, it will get crammed down everyones throat, just some of us will pay 2% for the privledge of having it shoved down our throat....

ALPA didn't even come out against it.......

 

[Turtlesfly]

OK, I will get involved . . .

by saying "F*CK THAT!!!!"

 

[Palerider957]

Is there something outside of the ALPA magazine that outlines this program???? Please someone tell me this is a nightmare.

I'm out of the industry, but this scares the living $hit out of me. I can't imagine putting my family on an airliner flown by this level of pilot.

Someone please provide some alternate sources.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Is there something outside of the ALPA magazine that outlines this program???? Please someone tell me this is a nightmare.

I'm out of the industry, but this scares the living $hit out of me. I can't imagine putting my family on an airliner flown by this level of pilot.

Someone please provide some alternate sources.

ICAO.

Yeah.... they won't stand up like those strong union regionals..... Just watch Mesa, PCL, ASA, CHQ, etc.... Get real, it will get crammed down everyones throat, just some of us will pay 2% for the privledge of having it shoved down our throat....

ALPA didn't even come out against it.......

C'mon Joe... you are going to have to do better than that. Incoherent tirades from a ineffective bitter ALPA rep isn't clear debate...

your absolutely right the last thing management wants to do is raise pay. The thing your missing is that management isnt afraid of ALPA, they have been spanking the unions for six years with no signs of change. The thing that scares them is not being able to attract new pilots.

No signs of change? How about the NWA LOA? Do you think Oberstar will listen?

Pay and work rules will improve but not because of ALPA

What about the NWA LOA?

or any other union but from lack of new people willing to do this job as a profession.

Doesn't seem to be a problem there...

You slam colgan and skywest but at least they get to keep there 2 percent.

I mention Colgan, SKW and blue cause what are they going to do...

ALPA can use its political resources to at least make the program safer.... One thing ALPA will have to fight is the arguement of... well there seems to be no problem at SKW, Colgan or blue.... whats the problem?

 

[Vne]

You can whine on this message boards about how you think it should be and declare that MPL's "just ain't right and they are all that is wrong in this world" or you can get involved...

Some one said it is all about the Benjamins... well the real question is..how many Bennies do you give to support your profession....

I feel sorry for the Colgan pilots and Skywest pilots... they will get this crammed into their world all while the duct tape is secure about their faces...

Good God man , all you ever do is invite people to attend the pep rally.

What the hell is National going to do to STOP the this MPL program dead in its tracks?. Scream "more dues paying involved members!"
ALPA is way past the "you must get involved to make a deference" reality.

At ALPA's house the basement has been burning for the past 10 years plus,along with the attic, and all I hear is "grab a hose and head for the first floor! we need more firemen!"

STFU and FIGHT THE FIRE your organization has already been paid............jezzz .......
ALPA PAC you say...right the only thing they been packing is their and my congress mans wallets....
rant over

 

[John Pennekamp]

ALPA will do the same thing with this controversy that they did with age 65. "We can either oppose it and have no say, or we can join the process and shape the outcome". That will now be their refrain to any issue that they want to cram down our throats because they know we're too weak to oppose it, but won't admit that.

 

[jumppilot]

The MCPL will probably probably result in an accident due to the simple fact that 30 hours isn't enough time to get a good feel for the person.

What you can't train for, only experience, is fear. How is this 30 hour wonder going to react when he flies through a thunderstorm or has an emergency?

At least when you have 500-1000 hours you've s*it yourself a time or two and demonstrated you won't go psycho in the cockpit.

I just don't get it. There are some things that simply just require experience. Flying an airliner is one of them.

 

[inthegoo]

dont touch anything FNG

Is there something outside of the ALPA magazine that outlines this program????
Someone please provide some alternate sources.

Do the google search "MPL airplane" and you will get alternate sources, heck the first one is Boeing's own training program,

http://www.alteontraining.com/firstofficer/mpl.aspx?id=3

I am glad I am leaving this industry in just 19 days, and if MPL comes true, I will be doing alot of road trips with my family,

I will try to drive under as few airways as possible.

-Goo

 

[ualdriver]

MPL cost?

I'm curious as to how much this new program would cost the individual if this is adapted in the US vs. just getting your ratings the "old fashioned" way. I mean for 50 grand, including housing, you can go to a pilot puppy mill like All ATP's and get all of your ratings outside of your PPL. And there are surely cheaper ways than that to obtain all those ratings. Unless this path provides a significant cost savings, I'm not sure it will make much sense in the US, at least now anyways. What does a "high fidelity" simulator cost per hour, even if divided by two students? If a student can get all his ratings for 50K and a MPL program costs 50K, which path is the student going to choose? What if the MPL program is 40K? 30K?

Further, it would HAVE TO cost significantly less than the present ways that lead to the right seat of a regional jet (for example) as the perceived shortage in the US is simply management induced. I suspect if managements at regionals like Mesa or TSA offered a living wage for a regional FO commensurate with the responsibilites said FO takes to task as the crewmember of a multi-million dollar piece of company capital (40K/yr anyone for starters?), not only would the "pilot shortage" be greatly reduced, but we might see an increase in the flight school/military pipeline. If all I can expect is 20K/year for the first few years of my career (or maybe less for longer periods of time because I'm "only" a MPL pilot and therefore cannot command as high a wage as a "regular" pilot), and this program is going to cost a guy tens of thousands out of his pocket in training costs, aren't we in the same position we are in now, anyway (i.e. high initial training costs with low pay)?

 

[wmuflyguy]

Doesn't a full motion sim rent for like $400+ an hour, not including the instructor?

Seems to me a duchess is still cheaper at 200 an hour.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Quote-more professional pilots with less experience.

Isn't this an oxymoron?


Quote-Why practice crosswind landings when they cost $10 a pop?

"So I won't have to take the controls from one of these jokes every time he/she tries to kill me and my passengers!"

Real simple guys/girls- refuse to fly with one....