New SkyWest Livery

[GearBayOverheat]

No. W. How are you going to lecture me on a 4 hour flight to PIT when in a couple of months I'm going to be Captain? I keep quiet and bite my tongue right now cause I'm an FO but not for much longer.

You all need to take some pride in your jobs. Skywest is a great place to work. We have the best pilots, and we are paid better than our counterparts. Stay the Course and we will be rewarded with upgrades, planes, and compensation.

 

[No.W.]

No. W. How are you going to lecture me on a 4 hour flight to PIT when in a couple of months I'm going to be Captain? I keep quiet and bite my tongue right now cause I'm an FO but not for much longer.

You "bite your tongue?" Just what would you say to your Captains? I know it's good to work here...that's why I'm staying(along with other reasons)...but there is also MUCH to improve. Your attitude both in the post above and the original classifies you as a tool in my book. I guess I'm pretty narrow minded.

Perhaps you should think about other SkyWest pilots who might disagree with you and be embarrassed by your toolness. You come across as arrogant and self-seeking(which is why I classify you as a tool). Though you may disagree...that is not a good way to live. Perhaps you don't mean to. Maybe you will get the two month upgrade...but you will still be a tool if you really have the attitude portrayed in this thread.

 

[Goose Egg]

My oh my.... We've got the full range on this one.

First of all, the talk about Mormonism being associated with SkyWest is really pretty silly. Granted, I've spent all my time in the California EMB system (which I've enjoyed tremendously) vs. the SLC, but this is definitely not a "Mormon" airline. And I say this as a practicing Mormon--there are some definite incompatibilities here. Personally, I have liked my time here so far, but when it comes time to leave, it won't be too hard. More on that later. But let it be known that all the cracks about "paying your 10%" or "josephlied.com" are just revealing ignorance on both the subject of Mormonism and the nature of SkyWest. Trust me.

Secondly, SkyWest is a regional airline. It's a good regional airline, in my opinion, but it is still a regional airline. The schedule sucks. The pay sucks. The taxi check with first flights on the Bro sucks. It all sucks. But SkyWest's level of suck is just a little lower than everywhere else. A regional airline is not a career company, in my opinion, and SkyWest is a regional airline. And we've all got to do something to get our PIC time, so you can keep your Kool-aid comments to yourself. These "my regional is more rad than your regional" peeing contests are pretty lame.

And Utah is pretty cool (.5 hour drive from Alta as I type this).

Anyway, when I have my 1000 TJPIC, I'm gone (reference the regional "QOL" and various incompatibilities with my chosen way of life that I'm willing to tolerate for a few years but definitely not for the next 35.) And not to an ALPA carrier, although if I did want to go to an ALPA carrier I doubt SKW on my resume would stop me, so you guys can just stow those comments as well. I don't care if I am a junior CRJ CA in ORD for a couple years. UT is great, but I've decided I can pretty much be happy anywhere I can turn a pedal.

Anyway, sorry to dump on you guys, but this has been building up for a while.

-Goose

 

[BoilerUP]

Anyway, when I have my 1000 TJPIC, I'm gone.

THAT is a bold statement if I've ever seen one on Flightinfo.

Hope it works out for you...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

THAT is a bold statement if I've ever seen one on Flightinfo.

Hope it works out for you...

That's the same attitude as a lot of the fo's here...and the reason they give you for not caring about representation here(ie, they'll be gone in a few months anyway)!

 

[Nevets]

"Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees. Future agreements with unionized and non-unionized employees may be on terms that are not as attractive as our current agreements or comparable to agreements entered into by our competitors."

Skywest, Inc. Form 10-Q for the quarterly period ended September 30,2007 Page 24

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...25517_110q.htm

 

[Goose Egg]

That's the same attitude as a lot of the fo's here...and the reason they give you for not caring about representation here(ie, they'll be gone in a few months anyway)!

Yeah well I'll be at SKW for 4-5 years.

-Goose

 

[ReverseSensing]

"Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees.

So Skywest pilots may be piggy-backing on all the hard work of unionized pilot groups? It must be so, because your own management said it. Hmmmm....

 

[yellowfever]

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[Nevets]

So Skywest pilots may be piggy-backing on all the hard work of unionized pilot groups? It must be so, because your own management said it. Hmmmm....

The silence is deafening. I guess there is certain kool aid that Jerry's kids don't like after all.

 

[Flyerdan]

I'm new to SkyWest and I have to say I really like it so far. I came on during the union drive (wasn't able to vote) and it was interesting to watch. I would say that the most negative and vicious comments came from the pro union position. I think most of the new hire SkyWest pilots I have talked to look at unionization from a performance based perspective and don't really think ALPA proved their case. If ALPA can improve life for our fellow pilots over at Mesa then I think we would take notice. Until something like that happens I will probably continue to see it as a lot of hot air and strong arm tactics by people who are trying to justify the dues they have to pay to their union. My 2 cents.

 

[Nevets]

I just didn't figure that Skywest management would acknowledge the truth, that is that, "Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees."

 

[Flyerdan]

I don't really see why you find that quote so revealing. To me it just states the obvious when it comes to market forces.

To me a more interesting point is to examine why the unions have supressed a bidding war when it comes to recruiting new hire pilots. By insisting on a pay increase for the entire pilot group they are essentially inhibiting the market forces of pilot supply and demand which would have probably cause a bidding war on new hire pay instead of dropping minimums. It seems to me that a significant increase in new hire pay would have to filter up through the entire pilot group in short order.

Again, just my 2 cents.

 

[SkyNation]

Union cheerleaders don't believe in market forces. In their world, ALPA invented or created everything that is good, and managements and SkyWest pilots invented or created everything that is bad. Trying to talk to them about the market economy is futile, at least here on FI.com.

SkyWest pilots will be getting a raise now, 10, 20, 30 years from now because the market dictates it, not because ALPA, the Boy Scouts, or the Fraternal Order of Waffle Iron Repairmen (Go FOWIRs!) happened to be there when the market swings in their (our) favor.

 

[Nevets]

I don't really see why you find that quote so revealing. To me it just states the obvious when it comes to market forces.

To me a more interesting point is to examine why the unions have supressed a bidding war when it comes to recruiting new hire pilots. By insisting on a pay increase for the entire pilot group they are essentially inhibiting the market forces of pilot supply and demand which would have probably cause a bidding war on new hire pay instead of dropping minimums. It seems to me that a significant increase in new hire pay would have to filter up through the entire pilot group in short order.

Again, just my 2 cents.

Like I said, its not the quote that is revealing. The fact that Skywest management made it is revealing.

Of course it points out obvious. I just throw it out there for the few that don't beleive it. That is that when other unionized employees get better pay and benefits, Skywest will have to follow suit as well to attract employees.

ALPA has not supressed anything. They are just trying to hold companies to the contract they management signed. If they want to increase pay, great. There is a right way to do it and there is a wrong way of doing it. Its spelled out in labor laws and regulations.

Anyways, putting certain employee groups (first year pay or Brasilia pilots for example) against the rest of its employees is partly management's way of getting what they want.