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[Nevets]

Union cheerleaders don't believe in market forces. In their world, ALPA invented or created everything that is good, and managements and SkyWest pilots invented or created everything that is bad. Trying to talk to them about the market economy is futile, at least here on FI.com.

SkyWest pilots will be getting a raise now, 10, 20, 30 years from now because the market dictates it, not because ALPA, the Boy Scouts, or the Fraternal Order of Waffle Iron Repairmen (Go FOWIRs!) happened to be there when the market swings in their (our) favor.

Union cheerleaders, myself included, know very well how market forces work. We know how market forces work in pattern bargaining and apperantly Skywest management does as well since they so plainly spelled it out for us.

The Skywest pay raise is because of the market forces Skywest management speaks of when they say, "Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees. Future agreements with unionized and non-unionized employees may be on terms that are not as attractive as our current agreements or comparable to agreements entered into by our competitors."

Thank you for making my point. The disappointing thing about all this is that Skywest could, no should be thee best paid with thee best work rules and QOL regional out there, hands down, no question, undesputedly, with no doubt place to fly. But as Skywest management has pointed out, only other contracts from other regionals will result in them "raising the bar." In other words, Skywest will always look at what everyone else gets to determine what to pay its pilots rather than being the Comair, Horizon, or ExpressJet that everyone else looks at to "raise the bar."

But that is okay. Skywest pilots have made part of our bed for us and now we will have continue to be the ones who try to riase the bar and help Skywest out.

 

[Flybet3]

We are very blessed to be able to live in Utah. Are you jealous of that too??

It doesn't matter anyways because I'm going to be in the left seat 11 months after being hired. Sounds like a reward to me!

Ok so what you're saying with you comments and avatar is that... YOU'RE RETARDED, GAY AND A MORMON? Did i get it right?

 

[Goose Egg]

I would say that the most negative and vicious comments came from the pro union position.

I'll second that.

If ALPA can improve life for our fellow pilots over at Mesa then I think we would take notice. Until something like that happens I will probably continue to see it as a lot of hot air and strong arm tactics by people who are trying to justify the dues they have to pay to their union.

I think that was my biggest thing. The ALPA crowd may have had the pilot group's interests in mind, but it came across as "you guys have something good going here and we deserve a piece of the pie." Not that I wouldn't ever vote for ALPA, but not until I can trust your motives a little more. I couldn't see how having ALPA would improve things. The case was definitely not made this time around.

-Goose

 

[Nevets]

As for the Mesa thing, they gave up a lot to bring everyone under one seniority list. That is part of the reason why their contract is not better than it is. Also, imagine how much worse Mesa would be without ALPA. You think that their management is adversarial now? Or better yet, imagine how much better Mesa would be with Skywest's management? My point is that every place has its differences. ALPA is an association. Meaning that it really is 42 seperate unions that associate with ALPA. Each union makes its own decisions from within, not from four national officers in DC.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Union cheerleaders don't believe in market forces. In their world, ALPA invented or created everything that is good, and managements and SkyWest pilots invented or created everything that is bad. Trying to talk to them about the market economy is futile, at least here on FI.com.

SkyWest pilots will be getting a raise now, 10, 20, 30 years from now because the market dictates it, not because ALPA, the Boy Scouts, or the Fraternal Order of Waffle Iron Repairmen (Go FOWIRs!) happened to be there when the market swings in their (our) favor.

Skyfag,
All you union haters like to tout that SKYW hasn't furloughed in 35 years, let me be the first to say, it just wasn't our time yet. Lost ORD area ground handling is just the writing on the wall. I can only say I hope you make the furlough, being non-union there is nothing to stop the company from furloughing out of senority, they can do it anyway they want! Even though I wont be able to watch you explain to your wifes son( UPS driver's) that the Goodwill clothes are just as good as new ones and step daddy works at Lowes because they are non-union and therefore worth working for, will be the just dues you deserve. Call Jerry at the houseboat and ask him for a little help, he might let you scrub the moss off of the bottom of the houseboat fleet for cash(no bennies). Oh yes, if you think SKYW will be running a couple of thousand training events to retrain all the pilots for the new positions to "honor" the non existent contract, keep believing that!
PBR

 

[Flyerdan]

Skyfag,
All you union haters like to tout that SKYW hasn't furloughed in 35 years, let me be the first to say, it just wasn't our time yet. Lost ORD area ground handling is just the writing on the wall. I can only say I hope you make the furlough, being non-union there is nothing to stop the company from furloughing out of senority, they can do it anyway they want! Even though I wont be able to watch you explain to your wifes son( UPS driver's) that the Goodwill clothes are just as good as new ones and step daddy works at Lowes because they are non-union and therefore worth working for, will be the just dues you deserve. Call Jerry at the houseboat and ask him for a little help, he might let you scrub the moss off of the bottom of the houseboat fleet for cash(no bennies). Oh yes, if you think SKYW will be running a couple of thousand training events to retrain all the pilots for the new positions to "honor" the non existent contract, keep believing that!
PBR

See now there is one of those mean spirited, negative, and vicious rants. I'm not sure what purpose that serves. Did you really have a point to make there or were you just looking to release some pent up anger? Try going to the gym and work it off. It would be a much healthier use of your time!

 

[GearBayOverheat]

as long as it doesn't mess with my 11 month upgrade who cares if a few ground monkeys lose their jobs.

 

[Goose Egg]

Lost ORD area ground handling is just the writing on the wall. I can only say I hope you make the furlough, being non-union there is nothing to stop the company from furloughing out of senority, they can do it anyway they want!

Wow, are you really that emotionally fragile? If 9/11 didn't cause SKW to furlough, the loss of a few ground stations isn't going to do it.

Freakin' flightinfo. Posts like these. Man...

-Goose

 

[airtime4]

1st post...thats worth a laugh!

 

[relief tube]

why didn't someone think of it before? that's awesome.

nice tail number too. A very fitting metaphor

 

[PBRstreetgang]

See now there is one of those mean spirited, negative, and vicious rants. I'm not sure what purpose that serves. Did you really have a point to make there or were you just looking to release some pent up anger? Try going to the gym and work it off. It would be a much healthier use of your time!

Think thats mean spirited, negative and vicious? Meet me at the El and be wearing a Packers windbreaker, I will be the guy pushing you onto the third rail. If you aren't with us you are against us, and guess what, you are declaring you are my enemy. I hope ALPA wakes up and declares SKYW pilots persona non grata. As it is now SKYW pilots are infecting every airline that is hiring. You wanna be non-union? fine you can stay at SKYW and have your career! In other words eat $hit!
PBR

 

[Flyerdan]

Think thats mean spirited, negative and vicious? Meet me at the El and be wearing a Packers windbreaker, I will be the guy pushing you onto the third rail. If you aren't with us you are against us, and guess what, you are declaring you are my enemy. I hope ALPA wakes up and declares SKYW pilots persona non grata. As it is now SKYW pilots are infecting every airline that is hiring. You wanna be non-union? fine you can stay at SKYW and have your career! In other words eat $hit!
PBR

WOW, I think maybe you have confused belonging to a union with being in a gang. You sound like a street punk gang banger to me. Grow up!

Oh funny, I just realized you declared yourself a street punk gang banger in your user name. My bad. I thought you were a professional pilot.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Wake up you stupid POS, in a billion dollar a year company, and where employee costs are approaching 40%, labor will continue to be an easy target for cost reduction. You continue to swill the koolaid and think that you can put a picture of your really cool 700 into your utility bill as payment and thats ok. If you don't think that CEOs don't talk amongst themselves you are as stupid as you sound. Your refusal to acknowledge the history of the airline industry dooms you to repeat it, and by default you drag me along with you. That makes you the enemy and when you take money and or time from my family, watch out, I will crush you like an ant on the sidewalk, and think nothing of it. Hardcore, yup! ALPA and Prater will come to this realization and start treating SKYW pilots(65%) like the lepers that they are, an infectious disease that can only be treated with extreme measures, like excising and isolation. For the majority to benefit, examples must be made, and guess what you being non-ALPA makes you the ideal speedbump for a speeding bus that this industry is. So in short watch your back and enjoy that 900 for 200 pay scale, PBS, Skid-, RR, and all the others wonders that we are experiencing today thanks to the awesome advertising skills that the SAPA tools use on the gullible(you) daily. You have no one to blame but yourself, I tried to help you help yourself, but you turned your back on us, now you can watch your own back. FuKK off
PBR
Hardcore to the bone!
P.S. I just noticed this:
Commercial, CL65SIC, never mind all the above you are just a gear bitch, now go get that walk around and clearance, I gotta go get a Starbucks, and no I won't get you one, remember every man for himself. Oh yeah I got more that 1000 TPIC and don't care if you get any, remember every man for himself.

 

[ILOVEBEER]

as long as it doesn't mess with my 11 month upgrade who cares if a few ground monkeys lose their jobs.

Wow. So much for standing in solidarity with your fellow employees. This type of attitude is why the moral at SKW is what it is. SKW used to be such a good company too. Very sad.

 

[Flyerdan]

Wake up you stupid POS, in a billion dollar a year company, and where employee costs are approaching 40%, labor will continue to be an easy target for cost reduction. You continue to swill the koolaid and think that you can put a picture of your really cool 700 into your utility bill as payment and thats ok. If you don't think that CEOs don't talk amongst themselves you are as stupid as you sound. Your refusal to acknowledge the history of the airline industry dooms you to repeat it, and by default you drag me along with you. That makes you the enemy and when you take money and or time from my family, watch out, I will crush you like an ant on the sidewalk, and think nothing of it. Hardcore, yup! ALPA and Prater will come to this realization and start treating SKYW pilots(65%) like the lepers that they are, an infectious disease that can only be treated with extreme measures, like excising and isolation. For the majority to benefit, examples must be made, and guess what you being non-ALPA makes you the ideal speedbump for a speeding bus that this industry is. So in short watch your back and enjoy that 900 for 200 pay scale, PBS, Skid-, RR, and all the others wonders that we are experiencing today thanks to the awesome advertising skills that the SAPA tools use on the gullible(you) daily. You have no one to blame but yourself, I tried to help you help yourself, but you turned your back on us, now you can watch your own back. FuKK off
PBR
Hardcore to the bone!
P.S. I just noticed this:
Commercial, CL65SIC, never mind all the above you are just a gear bitch, now go get that walk around and clearance, I gotta go get a Starbucks, and no I won't get you one, remember every man for himself. Oh yeah I got more that 1000 TPIC and don't care if you get any, remember every man for himself.

Wow - you really need some help with your anger issues. I hope you don't take that hazardous attitude into the cockpit with you. And I really hope it doesn't spill over into your family life. I will pray for you. God bless.