New SkyWest Livery

[GearBayOverheat]

No. W. How are you going to lecture me on a 4 hour flight to PIT when in a couple of months I'm going to be Captain? I keep quiet and bite my tongue right now cause I'm an FO but not for much longer.

You all need to take some pride in your jobs. Skywest is a great place to work. We have the best pilots, and we are paid better than our counterparts. Stay the Course and we will be rewarded with upgrades, planes, and compensation.

 

[No.W.]

No. W. How are you going to lecture me on a 4 hour flight to PIT when in a couple of months I'm going to be Captain? I keep quiet and bite my tongue right now cause I'm an FO but not for much longer.

You "bite your tongue?" Just what would you say to your Captains? I know it's good to work here...that's why I'm staying(along with other reasons)...but there is also MUCH to improve. Your attitude both in the post above and the original classifies you as a tool in my book. I guess I'm pretty narrow minded.

Perhaps you should think about other SkyWest pilots who might disagree with you and be embarrassed by your toolness. You come across as arrogant and self-seeking(which is why I classify you as a tool). Though you may disagree...that is not a good way to live. Perhaps you don't mean to. Maybe you will get the two month upgrade...but you will still be a tool if you really have the attitude portrayed in this thread.

 

[Goose Egg]

My oh my.... We've got the full range on this one.

First of all, the talk about Mormonism being associated with SkyWest is really pretty silly. Granted, I've spent all my time in the California EMB system (which I've enjoyed tremendously) vs. the SLC, but this is definitely not a "Mormon" airline. And I say this as a practicing Mormon--there are some definite incompatibilities here. Personally, I have liked my time here so far, but when it comes time to leave, it won't be too hard. More on that later. But let it be known that all the cracks about "paying your 10%" or "josephlied.com" are just revealing ignorance on both the subject of Mormonism and the nature of SkyWest. Trust me.

Secondly, SkyWest is a regional airline. It's a good regional airline, in my opinion, but it is still a regional airline. The schedule sucks. The pay sucks. The taxi check with first flights on the Bro sucks. It all sucks. But SkyWest's level of suck is just a little lower than everywhere else. A regional airline is not a career company, in my opinion, and SkyWest is a regional airline. And we've all got to do something to get our PIC time, so you can keep your Kool-aid comments to yourself. These "my regional is more rad than your regional" peeing contests are pretty lame.

And Utah is pretty cool (.5 hour drive from Alta as I type this).

Anyway, when I have my 1000 TJPIC, I'm gone (reference the regional "QOL" and various incompatibilities with my chosen way of life that I'm willing to tolerate for a few years but definitely not for the next 35.) And not to an ALPA carrier, although if I did want to go to an ALPA carrier I doubt SKW on my resume would stop me, so you guys can just stow those comments as well. I don't care if I am a junior CRJ CA in ORD for a couple years. UT is great, but I've decided I can pretty much be happy anywhere I can turn a pedal.

Anyway, sorry to dump on you guys, but this has been building up for a while.

-Goose

 

[BoilerUP]

Anyway, when I have my 1000 TJPIC, I'm gone.

THAT is a bold statement if I've ever seen one on Flightinfo.

Hope it works out for you...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

THAT is a bold statement if I've ever seen one on Flightinfo.

Hope it works out for you...

That's the same attitude as a lot of the fo's here...and the reason they give you for not caring about representation here(ie, they'll be gone in a few months anyway)!

 

[Nevets]

"Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees. Future agreements with unionized and non-unionized employees may be on terms that are not as attractive as our current agreements or comparable to agreements entered into by our competitors."

Skywest, Inc. Form 10-Q for the quarterly period ended September 30,2007 Page 24

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...25517_110q.htm

 

[Goose Egg]

That's the same attitude as a lot of the fo's here...and the reason they give you for not caring about representation here(ie, they'll be gone in a few months anyway)!

Yeah well I'll be at SKW for 4-5 years.

-Goose

 

[ReverseSensing]

"Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees.

So Skywest pilots may be piggy-backing on all the hard work of unionized pilot groups? It must be so, because your own management said it. Hmmmm....

 

[yellowfever]

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[Nevets]

So Skywest pilots may be piggy-backing on all the hard work of unionized pilot groups? It must be so, because your own management said it. Hmmmm....

The silence is deafening. I guess there is certain kool aid that Jerry's kids don't like after all.

 

[Flyerdan]

I'm new to SkyWest and I have to say I really like it so far. I came on during the union drive (wasn't able to vote) and it was interesting to watch. I would say that the most negative and vicious comments came from the pro union position. I think most of the new hire SkyWest pilots I have talked to look at unionization from a performance based perspective and don't really think ALPA proved their case. If ALPA can improve life for our fellow pilots over at Mesa then I think we would take notice. Until something like that happens I will probably continue to see it as a lot of hot air and strong arm tactics by people who are trying to justify the dues they have to pay to their union. My 2 cents.

 

[Nevets]

I just didn't figure that Skywest management would acknowledge the truth, that is that, "Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees."

 

[Flyerdan]

I don't really see why you find that quote so revealing. To me it just states the obvious when it comes to market forces.

To me a more interesting point is to examine why the unions have supressed a bidding war when it comes to recruiting new hire pilots. By insisting on a pay increase for the entire pilot group they are essentially inhibiting the market forces of pilot supply and demand which would have probably cause a bidding war on new hire pay instead of dropping minimums. It seems to me that a significant increase in new hire pay would have to filter up through the entire pilot group in short order.

Again, just my 2 cents.

 

[SkyNation]

Union cheerleaders don't believe in market forces. In their world, ALPA invented or created everything that is good, and managements and SkyWest pilots invented or created everything that is bad. Trying to talk to them about the market economy is futile, at least here on FI.com.

SkyWest pilots will be getting a raise now, 10, 20, 30 years from now because the market dictates it, not because ALPA, the Boy Scouts, or the Fraternal Order of Waffle Iron Repairmen (Go FOWIRs!) happened to be there when the market swings in their (our) favor.

 

[Nevets]

I don't really see why you find that quote so revealing. To me it just states the obvious when it comes to market forces.

To me a more interesting point is to examine why the unions have supressed a bidding war when it comes to recruiting new hire pilots. By insisting on a pay increase for the entire pilot group they are essentially inhibiting the market forces of pilot supply and demand which would have probably cause a bidding war on new hire pay instead of dropping minimums. It seems to me that a significant increase in new hire pay would have to filter up through the entire pilot group in short order.

Again, just my 2 cents.

Like I said, its not the quote that is revealing. The fact that Skywest management made it is revealing.

Of course it points out obvious. I just throw it out there for the few that don't beleive it. That is that when other unionized employees get better pay and benefits, Skywest will have to follow suit as well to attract employees.

ALPA has not supressed anything. They are just trying to hold companies to the contract they management signed. If they want to increase pay, great. There is a right way to do it and there is a wrong way of doing it. Its spelled out in labor laws and regulations.

Anyways, putting certain employee groups (first year pay or Brasilia pilots for example) against the rest of its employees is partly management's way of getting what they want.

 

[Nevets]

Union cheerleaders don't believe in market forces. In their world, ALPA invented or created everything that is good, and managements and SkyWest pilots invented or created everything that is bad. Trying to talk to them about the market economy is futile, at least here on FI.com.

SkyWest pilots will be getting a raise now, 10, 20, 30 years from now because the market dictates it, not because ALPA, the Boy Scouts, or the Fraternal Order of Waffle Iron Repairmen (Go FOWIRs!) happened to be there when the market swings in their (our) favor.

Union cheerleaders, myself included, know very well how market forces work. We know how market forces work in pattern bargaining and apperantly Skywest management does as well since they so plainly spelled it out for us.

The Skywest pay raise is because of the market forces Skywest management speaks of when they say, "Any new collective bargaining agreements entered into by other regional carriers may also result in higher industry wages and increased pressure on us to increase the wages and benefits of our employees. Future agreements with unionized and non-unionized employees may be on terms that are not as attractive as our current agreements or comparable to agreements entered into by our competitors."

Thank you for making my point. The disappointing thing about all this is that Skywest could, no should be thee best paid with thee best work rules and QOL regional out there, hands down, no question, undesputedly, with no doubt place to fly. But as Skywest management has pointed out, only other contracts from other regionals will result in them "raising the bar." In other words, Skywest will always look at what everyone else gets to determine what to pay its pilots rather than being the Comair, Horizon, or ExpressJet that everyone else looks at to "raise the bar."

But that is okay. Skywest pilots have made part of our bed for us and now we will have continue to be the ones who try to riase the bar and help Skywest out.

 

[Flybet3]

We are very blessed to be able to live in Utah. Are you jealous of that too??

It doesn't matter anyways because I'm going to be in the left seat 11 months after being hired. Sounds like a reward to me!

Ok so what you're saying with you comments and avatar is that... YOU'RE RETARDED, GAY AND A MORMON? Did i get it right?

 

[Goose Egg]

I would say that the most negative and vicious comments came from the pro union position.

I'll second that.

If ALPA can improve life for our fellow pilots over at Mesa then I think we would take notice. Until something like that happens I will probably continue to see it as a lot of hot air and strong arm tactics by people who are trying to justify the dues they have to pay to their union.

I think that was my biggest thing. The ALPA crowd may have had the pilot group's interests in mind, but it came across as "you guys have something good going here and we deserve a piece of the pie." Not that I wouldn't ever vote for ALPA, but not until I can trust your motives a little more. I couldn't see how having ALPA would improve things. The case was definitely not made this time around.

-Goose

 

[Nevets]

As for the Mesa thing, they gave up a lot to bring everyone under one seniority list. That is part of the reason why their contract is not better than it is. Also, imagine how much worse Mesa would be without ALPA. You think that their management is adversarial now? Or better yet, imagine how much better Mesa would be with Skywest's management? My point is that every place has its differences. ALPA is an association. Meaning that it really is 42 seperate unions that associate with ALPA. Each union makes its own decisions from within, not from four national officers in DC.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Union cheerleaders don't believe in market forces. In their world, ALPA invented or created everything that is good, and managements and SkyWest pilots invented or created everything that is bad. Trying to talk to them about the market economy is futile, at least here on FI.com.

SkyWest pilots will be getting a raise now, 10, 20, 30 years from now because the market dictates it, not because ALPA, the Boy Scouts, or the Fraternal Order of Waffle Iron Repairmen (Go FOWIRs!) happened to be there when the market swings in their (our) favor.

Skyfag,
All you union haters like to tout that SKYW hasn't furloughed in 35 years, let me be the first to say, it just wasn't our time yet. Lost ORD area ground handling is just the writing on the wall. I can only say I hope you make the furlough, being non-union there is nothing to stop the company from furloughing out of senority, they can do it anyway they want! Even though I wont be able to watch you explain to your wifes son( UPS driver's) that the Goodwill clothes are just as good as new ones and step daddy works at Lowes because they are non-union and therefore worth working for, will be the just dues you deserve. Call Jerry at the houseboat and ask him for a little help, he might let you scrub the moss off of the bottom of the houseboat fleet for cash(no bennies). Oh yes, if you think SKYW will be running a couple of thousand training events to retrain all the pilots for the new positions to "honor" the non existent contract, keep believing that!
PBR