New Rest Rules tomorrow, 12/21/11

[GuppyWN]

Looks like rest for a CDO can not be reduced from scheduled. So if you are scheduled for a 5 hour nap and you are three hours late getting into your station then the morning flight will have to be pushed back three hours. Is that how others read it. This would basically kill CDO's. Continuous duty overnights.

A 14 hour duty day can still make for a LONG night.

Gup

 

[Medeco]

Rest to begin behind closed door didn't seem to make it in.

The company lawyers are already hard at work finding the unintended loopholes on this new crap.

 

[Data]

Another WIN!

This is all good, except that senior trips will now have 13-14 days off, junior trips 11 or 12 days off. Yeah us, more time away from home!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

A 14 hour duty day can still make for a LONG night.

Gup

True, this would then go back to how restrictive your contract is. The problem is that if the flight is even 30 minutes late getting in, if you were scheduled for a 8 hour overnight (less than the 10 hour legal rest), they would still have to give you 8 hours. Bad weather the night before could screw up the morning departures for every CDO. I hate CDO's and hope it kills them. Just trying to figure out the Government legal-eze.


7. Split Duty.
Split duty rest breaks provide carriers with nighttime operations with additional flexibility. Typically split duty rest would benefit carriers who conduct late night and early morning operations where the flightcrew members would typically be afforded some opportunity to sleep, but would not receive a legal rest period. Under today’s rule split duty rest must be at least 3 hours long and must be scheduled in advance. The actual split duty rest breaks may not be shorter than the scheduled split duty rest breaks. The rationale for this is that flightcrew members must, at the beginning of their FDP, evaluate their ability to safely complete their entire assigned FDP. In order to do so, they must not only know the length of the FDP, but any scheduled split duty rest breaks that they will receive during the FDP

 

[Draginass]

You can bet that the airline pirates will start flying their crews 9 hours during the day immediately, but take their sweet time for the rest of the rules.

Looks like another buy-off, sell-out, and pay-off to the FAA by the airline execs.

 

[Smarta$$]

This is all good, except that senior trips will now have 13-14 days off, junior trips 11 or 12 days off. Yeah us, more time away from home!

Way to early to make this claim.

 

[Hpilot]

A 14 hour duty day can still make for a LONG night.

Gup

I agree.

A carrier like Southwest probably won't be that effected, I'm guessing, because your schedulers can comprehend circadian rhythm and efficiency.

Carriers like US Airways where pilots are constantly run into and over regs it will effect big time.

 

[Tripower455]

I agree.

A carrier like Southwest probably won't be that effected, I'm guessing, because your schedulers can comprehend circadian rhythm and efficiency.

You're right about the efficiency part, but I assure you that circadian rhythm is definitely not a player in our scheduling practices. Espcially since we got rid of the AM/PM definitions in the last contract.

I've been getting up to an alarm clock a lot in the last year, and I am a die hard PMer. At least we still get done late!

Not to mention the constant rap changes our reserve guys get.

 

[av8dv8]

Domestic Hours Increased

http://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=13273

Summary of Flight and Duty Limits


report time flight hours


0000-0459 8 hours max block
0500-1959 9 hours max block
000-23598 8 hours max block

 

[Lear70]

Reserves can still be extended up to the duty chart plus 4 hours from when they went on call, or 16 hours, whichever is less.

I am not impressed.