New Rest Rules tomorrow, 12/21/11

[labbats]

This is all good, except that senior trips will now have 13-14 days off, junior trips 11 or 12 days off. Yeah us, more time away from home!

This will be offset by transcon turns with the 9 hours of flight time allowance. Now senior guys will actually have more days off than they presently do. As far as the other 80% of us time will tell. Any way you look at it though I'll be glad to be rid of 16 hour duty days.

 

[HAL]

This will be offset by transcon turns with the 9 hours of flight time allowance. Now senior guys will actually have more days off than they presently do. As far as the other 80% of us time will tell. Any way you look at it though I'll be glad to be rid of 16 hour duty days.

So which airline owns a Concorde - the only way to do a transcon in 9 hours?

HAL

 

[BuddyF]

These new rules are going to make things so safe that the FAA can now raise the retirement age to 70. I just threw up a little.

 

[labbats]

What, you don't fly at .90M?

OK transcon may be a bit much, but you can bet that 9 hour flight days will certainly help the senior among us.

 

[ultrarunner]

So which airline owns a Concorde - the only way to do a transcon in 9 hours?

HAL

Exactly. jfk-lax-jfk today is 10+15.

Best winds
9+50

 

[scoreboardII]

What is does allow is LAX-HNL-LAX in one day.

 

[ultrarunner]

What is does allow is LAX-HNL-LAX in one day.

Really, seems tight. 4450 nm round trip in 9 hrs looks to be almost 500 knots over the water, BLOCK.

I suppose the 744 could prly do that with their high mach numbers?

 

[fam62c]

Excellent, 7 and 8 leg days are now possible, that will be fun. There may be a restriction against that but I didn't see it......I hope there is.

 

[CA1900]

Rest to begin behind closed door didn't seem to make it in.

No, but it's 10 hours min, and 8 hours behind the door, which is a huge improvement for 121.

 

[nwaf16dude]

Excellent, 7 and 8 leg days are now possible, that will be fun. There may be a restriction against that but I didn't see it......I hope there is.

Only if you can squeeze those 7+ legs into a max duty day of 11.5 hours. I would think that would be pretty tough, but then I've never flown at a regional.

Reference is table b on pg 307

 

[Guppiedriver]

This will be offset by transcon turns with the 9 hours of flight time allowance. Now senior guys will actually have more days off than they presently do. As far as the other 80% of us time will tell. Any way you look at it though I'll be glad to be rid of 16 hour duty days.

Anybody that allows themselves to be subjected to a 16 hour duty day, new FAR's or not, needs to have their certificate yanked.

 

[scoreboardII]

Agreed.

 

[OzBushWhacker]

Anybody that allows themselves to be subjected to a 16 hour duty day, new FAR's or not, needs to have their certificate yanked.

Er well I guess you've never worked part 135?

 

[labbats]

Anybody that allows themselves to be subjected to a 16 hour duty day, new FAR's or not, needs to have their certificate yanked.

I've got a certificate you can yank.

Try waiting on a rescue flight or working a heavy crew charter. Or starting reserve and getting a call later in the day. While I'm not one to cry fatigue for nothing, I have and will do it when it gets unsafe. 16 hours isn't always the edge of the envelope on safety, but it can get close enough for comfort.

 

[goahead]

Er well I guess you've never worked part 135?

Or a regional