New Mins for Mesaba

[WMUSIGPI]

wmusigpi - Where do you currently work, and apparently you are intending on returning too?....if you don't mind me asking.

A 135 (no freight) outfit at YIP and yes I will be returning to XJ.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

Warr du one appy to das Mooo saa baaaaaa? Peenicle warr my fir chaice, ba thez be betta minumums. Warr do I sen check?

-Spa ta cus

 

[Shaheen]

listen up, and hear this. I am in no way saying its a good thing that the mins are being lowered. I cannt agree with it, but thenext time you get on a NWA wide body............he might be one of those they hired with less time than that XJ is asking for! yes, NWA would give a contract of hire to a guy that had just promised to get his Multi-commercial! Some guys were hired with like 300 hours! Its ben done before, and by our most sought after majors..................oh yes, Continetal just gave a 300 hour woman a hiring scholarship.............so there you go!

Well said!

 

[Shaheen]

Mesa Mins: 500 tt
100 multi

Mesaba Mins: 600 tt
50 multi.


SCARY

Not scary at all.

Next time you fly a BA 747-400 out of any of the US bases, or UK, try talking to the flight crew...you may run in to a very young gal/guy who got hired and on to 747 with less hours than Mesa and Mesaba. What would you do?

I'm sure, based on your beliefs, you'd not get on that 'doomed' flight across the Atlantic!

Shaheen

 

[SEVEN]

Not scary at all.

Next time you fly a BA 747-400 out of any of the US bases, or UK, try talking to the flight crew...you may run in to a very young gal/guy who got hired and on to 747 with less hours than Mesa and Mesaba. What would you do?

I'm sure, based on your beliefs, you'd not get on that 'doomed' flight across the Atlantic!

Shaheen

Name one carrier operating within the US that hires 747 pilots with 50 hours
of piper seminole time.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Name one carrier operating within the US that hires 747 pilots with 50 hours
of piper seminole time.

I think he's saying that BA, and many other foreign carriers have ab initio training. These pilots go from zero-time to the right seat of jets with very little time compared to their American counterparts.

I don't know how they do it, though. I mean, come on - how can you replace all that invaluable experience of watching students do touch-and-goes that the average American regional pilot has?

 

[pinn82]

EVA.
300 TT
50 Multi
Flying A340s

 

[SEVEN]

EVA.
300 TT
50 Multi
Flying A340s

WRONG! You want to try again?

EVA Airways Corporation, based in Taiwan,
requires B747-400 / B777 / MD-11 pilots

Long-term Contract (four years with possible extension) for B747-400 / B777 / MD11 First Officer:

Jet Candidate:

1. at least 2,000 total flight hours
2. at least 500 hours Jet (MTOW>20 tons)
3. ICAO ATPL & Jet Type-Rating
4. currency within one year
5. commercial jet / glass cockpit experiences preferably
6. age under 50

Turbo-prop Candidate (for Freighter Fleet only):

1. at least 1,500 total flight hours
2. at least 500 hours Turbo-prop
3. ICAO ATPL & Turbo-prop Type-Rating
4. glass cockpit experiences preferably
5. age under 40

 

[pinn82]

I wasn't sure about the aircraft type but i knew it was a heavy. But it was my student when i was instructing. He was a guy from taiwan who i gave his private, instrument, commercial to and is now flying for them or still maybe in training. But he got hired with around 300 TT and 50 Multi. Maybe it is just the natural born guys but I know for a fact you have guys like this flying heavies. Even though it might just be as a cruise pilot.

 

[flap operator]

A huge difference between US carriers and foreign carriers is the amount of time spent doing OE. At Mesaba it is minimum 25 hours and by the time you get there most guys are ready for the line. Foreign companies keep you on OE for WAY longer, sometimes 100-200 hours for low time guys. It's a whole different ball game across the pond.


FO

 

[sf3boy]

If you have a crap airline, you're gonna only be able to attract pilots with zero experience and those who have no idea what their time, effort, and sacrifice to themselves and their families is worth. Hopefull every capatin will fill out a paysheet for OE pay.

Good job ALPA. Safety and professional wages are now all things that we used to have.

 

[KingNothing]

This is so stupid. I'm a former XJer who feels sorry for the guys like Dehn, Claypool, Swanney etc that are going to put up with 600 TT C-172 kids that havent left the pattern yet. XJ has awesome people with talent, why ruin it now.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

XJ doesn't have to ruin it.

My airline so far is getting pretty decent candidates, I assume because of our first year pay.

If XJ would pay about $35 their first year, they could keep approximately ATP mins and have no problems. However, I don't see XJ, or any other regional, voluntarily raising their pay that much, at least not YET!

Horizon pays quite a bit, and isn't having any problems getting pretty highly qualified applicants.

cliff
YIP

 

[flap operator]

First year pay after the concessions is not much less than it's ever been. XJ has never had a problem of this nature in attracting qualified applicants before! So, I seriously doubt it's linked to the pay. All the regional starting pay is between $19-$24, with the exception of Horizon. Mesaba is at $24, higher than most. Combined with the work rules that remain in tact after the concessions, Mesaba isn't that bad of a place to start. Unless of course you're a 1000 hour wonder than is too good for a saab.

I really don't buy the first year pay is crap... they're all crap. It boils down to equipment and where people want to live.

FO

 

[00Dog]

Not scary at all.

Next time you fly a BA 747-400 out of any of the US bases, or UK, try talking to the flight crew...you may run in to a very young gal/guy who got hired and on to 747 with less hours than Mesa and Mesaba. What would you do?

I'm sure, based on your beliefs, you'd not get on that 'doomed' flight across the Atlantic!

Shaheen

I'll stick to American carriers where the CA is under 64.5 and the fo has more than 300 hours, and when they get to LAX, they can communicate effectively with the approach and ground controllers. It makes me feel better.

 

[profit]

Good job ALPA. Safety and professional wages are now all things that we used to have.

What in the world does ALPA have to do with Mesaba lowering the hiring minimums? Or are you just an idiot?

 

[TxPilot0878]

Heard that its not as simple as if you have the mins your in. Seems like a lot of the guys with that low of time will come from some sort of bridge program. But then again what do i know?

GULFSTREAMERS THOSE **SHOLES!!!!!!!!

 

[look4traffic]

How easy would it be to commute JAX-MEM ? thanks

 

[sf3boy]

What in the world does ALPA have to do with Mesaba lowering the hiring minimums? Or are you just an idiot?

Funny, that's what my wife calls me.

When ALPA decides that concessions are required for already underpaid professional 121 pilots, you have to start lowering the mins to get people to work there. The ambitious and well qualified pilots are not going to apply to an airline where you get to be a Turbo prop FO for 8 years before you can upgrade and make $50,000.

The same can be said of any profession. Water it down enough and the go getters will go do something else that offers better returns for their troubles.

I know, I know, XJ was in BK and things needed to be done. Bottom line is the contract wasn't that good to begin with and if the company can't pay a competitive wage and offer decent work rules to career employees, then maybe they shouldn't be in business. Just a thought from an idiot who knows how to make money other than turning on an autopilot.

 

[IHateMgmt]

How easy would it be to commute JAX-MEM ? thanks

It would've been an easy commute when XJ had the Avro flying direct from JAX to MEM. Now I assume 9E is doing it? If so, still wounld be pretty cake.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Pretty soon Amway will have tougher requirements than the regionals....