New Info on FlexJet

[ksu_aviator]

Nah, don't have time to do all your work. CA DOL

AND the question is - "do they?".

I knew you couldn't.

AND the appropriate question is "can they?"

 

[doh]

I knew you couldn't.

AND the appropriate question is "can they?"

No the question the original poster asked is "do they" and to get the right answer you have to find some one who left and ask them if they did! The right moral question may be "can they" but the question was definately "do they"! I just finished my first trip incedently, and I really enjoyed it! I have no intention of finding out if they do! So don't ask me!:beer:

 

[LAZYB]

I knew you couldn't.

AND the appropriate question is "can they?"

So you couldn't figure out the "linky" thing?

 

[FraxJockey]

So you couldn't figure out the "linky" thing?

What does California Law have to do with a company in TEXAS...an at will state?

 

[Skytaxi]

Yes they do. Why would they have a contract if they did not chase after the folks that leave before the two years is up?

 

[LAZYB]

What does California Law have to do with a company in TEXAS...an at will state?

Pull your head out! ONT ain't in Canada!

What the #%*@ does an (sic) "at will state" have to do with a training contract?

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[LAZYB]

So you couldn't figure out the "linky" thing?

OK Dilbert/KSU, seems you couldn't manipulate the "linky" Forget the training contract its illegal...

How about -

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Forget the training contract its illegal. I went to court in Dallas and won. Flexjet had no leg so stand on and they knew it. If you want details private me. The bottom line is whatever they make you sign its been tossed out in court in Dallas county.

Hell I even won damages and my lawyer's fees

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It ain't what you want it to be. It is what it is.


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[haulingthemail]

The bottom line is this, and it's been previously stated. If you go there with the intentions of getting a type and leaving then you should be made to pay it back. You are taken a job that someone else may need more than you. Where are your morals?

 

[Club ORD FO]

That I would agree with...but I know some people go to Flex and just don't like it. Should they be forced to wait out the contract of just get the hell out and make room for somebody who does want the job? I say let 'em leave.

 

[haulingthemail]

I do agree with that. It should be a case by case basis. But reading some of these post, sounds like they are just try to get something and give nothing in return.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

OK Dilbert/KSU, seems you couldn't manipulate the "linky" Forget the training contract its illegal...


How about -

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Forget the training contract its illegal. I went to court in Dallas and won. Flexjet had no leg so stand on and they knew it. If you want details private me. The bottom line is whatever they make you sign its been tossed out in court in Dallas county.​

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It ain't what you want it to be. It is what it is.​

That was then, this is now. Believe what you want, but you need deep pockets to fight a legion of lawyers. Winnable? Maybe. Expensive? You better believe it. Worth it? Not really.

Oh yes; proof? Do it and see what happens. I already know. Do you?

 

[Flywrite]

I do agree with that. It should be a case by case basis. But reading some of these post, sounds like they are just try to get something and give nothing in return.

Problem with a 'case by case' basis is that if they dont go after one person, then it makes it harder to go after the next. Like so much of employment law they have to treat everone the same.

An easy solution for someone looking to get out of owing money on a contract is to ask the next potential employer if part of the compensation package can include paying off the previous contract. If they do then everyone is happy because:

1. Felxjet gets the contract money
2. The pilot gets a new employer who cares about a quality individual more than penny piching and doenst leave owing money or worrying about legal action.
3. The new employer gets an employee who has shown that they care about leaving the past employer on good terms.

 

[ksu_aviator]

So you couldn't figure out the "linky" thing?

Alright, fine...you so desperately want to be proven wrong, so here you go.

1. Your "linky" led me to this:

"2) Any party to such a contract shall have the right to recover damages for a breach of the contract occurring during its term in an action commmenced during or after its term, but within the applicable period prescribed by law."

2. You post a link to an annonymous poster that claims to have won a case, yet at www.dallascounty.org you will not find this case.

3. The answer to the question "do they" is "can they?" Because if they can, it does not matter if they have or have not. Your case stands alone and if you have signed the contract and breached it, then you are liable for the prearranged settlement that you agreed to in the contract unless you can renegotiate the terms.

You need to understand something about contract laws. A "training contract" is a vehicle used by employers to protect themselves. In the contract, they agree to train you on a specific aircraft (an asset you retain and can not be returned) while you agree to remain employed until such time as you are released or a specified date has passed. So the contract is for the employee to provide services in exchange for compensation (including wages, training, health insurance, etc.) Should the employee breach the contract through employment termination, the employee can be required to repay the company a certain portion of the contract as compensation. Generally, the breach terms are agreed to in the initial contract. I.e. "The employee shall pay $xxxx.xx"

Most employers, like FlexJet, prorate the cost as to be more fair to the employee. They are under no legal obligation to do so.

A better example would be construction. If a person hires a contractor to build a house, that contractor is obligated to finish the work (just like a pilot is obligated under a training contract). Should the construction contractor not complete the work, the person that hired the contractor has a legal right to regain all of the money given to the contractor. Why? Because the contractor did not complete the contract the contractor is not entitled to any of the compensation.

Generally, you won't see that because the contractor will almost always have a clause in the contract that allows them to keep money for the materials and labor used on a partially completed home.

The point is, claiming a training contract is not legal is complete fantasy. Training contracts, in principle, are 100% legal. A training contract may contain provisions that are against federal, state or local law, in which case that contract would be void. However, I seriously doubt that FlexJet did not research all of the applicable laws when they composed their training contract.

 

[doylehargraves]

This is why most airlines are in trouble. Pilots think they know "business" and, they know what's best for their company and everything around it. When airlines put pilots in charge, bad things are bound to happen. Why do we have to feel like "we" can run this better than anyone? Why can't we just be pilots and be happy?