New Flying for XJet?

[blesko]

Class warfare? Its not management's fault the two MECs can't get along. ASA and XJT are both ALPA. Both MECs should have the same goal in mind. Supposed to be one strong union? Brotherhood? Please. Just a bunch of ego's running into each other.

Taking A/C out of the desert and putting them on one side of the operation definately pits one group against the other. No wonder why both groups are pi**ed off at each other. I'm quite certain that the MEC's didn't order the planes out of the boneyard.

 

[Baronman]

Taking A/C out of the desert and putting them on one side of the operation definately pits one group against the other. No wonder why both groups are pi**ed off at each other. I'm quite certain that the MEC's didn't order the planes out of the boneyard.

I would imagine the company is trying to place all aircraft that are sitting side-lined. They shop them to the respective mainline partners who then decide which aircraft they want and don't want.

That it pits one side against the other will be the case until there is truly one unified company and seniority list. As long as there are two groups flying different aircraft around there will always be the unintended consequence when one mainline carrier picks one over the other.

I'm sure management doesn't mind a squabble but that's our reality until we come to an agreement.

 

[777forever]

Try reading your company mail. You were told NOT to delete them due to a Jepp error. Jan 5th message from the company.

I actually did read this but completely let it slip my mind because the 200 doesn't fly to GRK. Thanks for the reminder

 

[777forever]

Taking A/C out of the desert and putting them on one side of the operation definately pits one group against the other. No wonder why both groups are pi**ed off at each other. I'm quite certain that the MEC's didn't order the planes out of the boneyard.

The planes are owned by CAL who was paying the leases to let them sit. What did you expect BH to do? Start an EMB program at ASA for 5 135s? Be reasonable and think analytically people. It's 5 airplanes of growth, not 35

 

[Flyguy1226]

The planes are owned by CAL who was paying the leases to let them sit. What did you expect BH to do? Start an EMB program at ASA for 5 135s? Be reasonable and think analytically people. It's 5 airplanes of growth, not 35

There's more ERJs coming to feed American... Just wait! I bet the RFP for that flying is already out.

 

[ASAFOE120]

There's more ERJs coming to feed American... Just wait! I bet the RFP for that flying is already out.

Well if that's true, we better get this contract and integration done cuz I'm tired of commuting!!!

 

[777forever]

There's more ERJs coming to feed American... Just wait! I bet the RFP for that flying is already out.

That'll mean CRJ700s too

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Speaking of which, when are YOU going to upgrade, or are you waiting until they slap some big ol' knobby tires and Flowmasters on a 145 before you take off your skirt and grab the tiller, you big pansy! I heard they're bringing back the 135, next thing you know, they'll be hauling pax in old Geronimos to Easterwood!

You know I had to mess with you, how are things going on the ERJ side of things? It's not as bad as it could be over here, at least we're not furloughing like we thought they might, for now.

I think things will be getting better for everybody by early next year, if not sooner (I hope). Funny how we ended up working for the same airline after all!

I was telling munson we should hang some of those steel cow balls from the tail of the ERJ and just taxi around Houston watching peoples face. Maybe have them hang so low that when I rotate they drag on the pavement!:laugh:
I go to training next month you SOB!:smash: I was waiting for IAH CA, commuting sucks. Why don't we go for a ride on a golf cart at DWH sometime and I'll throw you off the back again! Next time I suggest a helmet and some football pads. :beer:

 

[JumpersAway]

Taking A/C out of the desert and putting them on one side of the operation definately pits one group against the other. No wonder why both groups are pi**ed off at each other. I'm quite certain that the MEC's didn't order the planes out of the boneyard.

Naaaa- absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a CRJ-ERJ issue, not a pit-the-pilot-group-against-each-other maneuver. Problem is there are no CRJ's for us to fly for another mainline partner. Besides, our CRJ's are broke $hit anyway.

 

[Plainsman]

Naaaa- absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a CRJ-ERJ issue, not a pit-the-pilot-group-against-each-other maneuver. Problem is there are no CRJ's for us to fly for another mainline partner. Besides, our CRJ's are broke $hit anyway.

Well our POS Presidient, VP of flight ops, and SC would make us think otherwise. I think they are getting their rocks off on our (ASA) situtation. There job is to make money but they dont need to rub this crap in our face. Congrats expressjet you deserve this for being a better regional.

 

[twott driver]

"for being a better regional"??? That's like winning gold in the special olympics. All regionals suck and they need to close these crap holes down.

 

[wms]

I guess I dont understand this.

How does wanting to better our current contract make us bitter?

How does our MEC being willing to look at and research every thing(specifically PBS vs. line bidding) vs. your MEC refusing to look at and research every thing(again specifically PBS vs. line bidding) make us bitter?

How does our MEC's failure to bow to the companies demands or make concessions make us bitter?

And while I feel bad for you guys losing airplanes while we are gaining a few and gaining block hours and renewing contracts and upgrading and hiring and I could go on, people who have attitudes like yours make me not feel quite as bad.
I know you are in the minority in your attitude and opinion, but wow.

After being sold out by the ASA mec and Expressjet having a better contract, even in concessions, It's safe to say most ASA pilots are ready for some militance. Not to mention OCC has become hostile to the front-line employees and another perfect storm is brewing.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

After being sold out by the ASA mec and Expressjet having a better contract, even in concessions, It's safe to say most ASA pilots are ready for some militance. Not to mention OCC has become hostile to the front-line employees and another perfect storm is brewing.

What he said... Anyone remember September '07? If things don't change for the better, I can see a repeat coming.

 

[COOPERVANE]

sooner rather than later. FMLA?....denied. alternate deadhead?......denied, COMA?......denied. early release?...........denied. Replacement day off per the contract.......denied. Run down planes,. shoddy maintenance, no printers in ORD that work, aggressive schedulers. Sorry...you waited for the van for 45 minutes during a SCHEDULED reduced rest overnight? Sorry BLOW ME, 4 hours of sleep for you. Legal is safe.

I'm there already.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

...and I can't wait to see the chaos that you KNOW is coming one day. "Expressjet" seems to think that attrition is never going to pick up. When it does (whether that is in 6 months or 2 years), management WILL be caught flat-footed and the cancellations due to lack of crews will shoot through the roof. By then, it will be too late to hire (especially since there will be no one left to hire) and its going to be entertaining to watch the circus that follows.

I can already hear it now... "It doesn't matter how we got here..."

 

[Cpt Oveur]

sooner rather than later. FMLA?....denied. alternate deadhead?......denied, COMA?......denied. early release?...........denied. Replacement day off per the contract.......denied. Run down planes,. shoddy maintenance, no printers in ORD that work, aggressive schedulers. Sorry...you waited for the van for 45 minutes during a SCHEDULED reduced rest overnight? Sorry BLOW ME, 4 hours of sleep for you. Legal is safe.

I'm there already.

Maybe you should ask your captain about that stuff. Wait 45 minutes for a van? Thirty minutes after block in and my bags are in the trunk of a cab. I don't care that the hotel isn't paying for it, the contract guarantees that I am reimbursed through the company. The van's on the way? The check's in the mail.

Not getting your replacement days off from the company? Make a phone call. If the printer is out of paper is ORD, ask the gate agent for more paper or walk to the next gate.

The maintenance is more complicated than that, but our pilot group has shown professionalism at standing up to say "This is unsafe" when the conditions warrant. Unequivocally, the pilots staffed at IAD are flying airplanes and for a carrier that overall require more effort than our brothers staffed at DTW and ATL. Trade back to ATL if it's too much for you.

I absolutely agree with you that we are overworked, underpaid, and get little respect while at work. However, none of that should mean you burn the place down.

 

[aircombat]

Not getting your replacement days off from the company? Make a phone call...

Man I wish I thought of that. Maybe if I called you instead of the chief pilot and scheduling hotline, this clear contract violation wouldn't have occurred.

 

[Plainsman]

Maybe you should ask your captain about that stuff. Wait 45 minutes for a van? Thirty minutes after block in and my bags are in the trunk of a cab. I don't care that the hotel isn't paying for it, the contract guarantees that I am reimbursed through the company. The van's on the way? The check's in the mail.

Not getting your replacement days off from the company? Make a phone call. If the printer is out of paper is ORD, ask the gate agent for more paper or walk to the next gate.

The maintenance is more complicated than that, but our pilot group has shown professionalism at standing up to say "This is unsafe" when the conditions warrant. Unequivocally, the pilots staffed at IAD are flying airplanes and for a carrier that overall require more effort than our brothers staffed at DTW and ATL. Trade back to ATL if it's too much for you.

I absolutely agree with you that we are overworked, underpaid, and get little respect while at work. However, none of that should mean you burn the place down.

Are you are one of the guys who fly broke airplanes all day and lay them on the next crew? Either that or you are one of the mec? The Feds find it strange our planes break in ATL or in base.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Are you are one of the guys who fly broke airplanes all day and lay them on the next crew? Either that or you are one of the mec? The Feds find it strange our planes break in ATL or in base.

No, I call them as I see them. When some reserve crew flies a broke plane, uncomfortable to our passengers because "we just wanted to get to the overnight" I politely inform OCC that we have a discrepancy to address before we depart.

No, I do not tow the line of the association, nor do I tow the line of the company. I go to work and do my job, and then I come home.

 

[JoeMerchant]

GoJets is hiring for those who aren't happy here....