New FAA rules....tidbits

[Jetjockey]

Not going to happen. All this will be looked at, then the ATA will lobby. They will say that these rule changes will cause airlines to go bankrupt. There is NO WAY they could hire and train enough pilots to comply in two years, much less 180 days.

Or god forbid, recall furloughed pilots! Bring them all back, and then some.

 

[b707guy]

I think the -121 supplemental operators MAY be able to get themselves exempted. I hope not!!!

My first thought upon reading the list was to wonder how all the majors would finagle the system to operate under supplemental rules.

Some operations, particularly overnight freight with long hub sort hours, would need some relief from those rules as presented. We'd also very likely see an end to reasonable hotels that are 15-30 minutes away and start being stuck in the amenity-less dumps just off the airport property.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Or god forbid, recall furloughed pilots! Bring them all back, and then some.

If these rule changes happen, there is going to be a LOT of recalls and a mini-hiring boom. Example, a buddy of mine at CAL called crew planning, worried about the possible upcoming furlough, and they are already looking at this. The news he heard was that if this rule change happens, not only will there be no furlough, and not only will they have to recall all 147 furloughs immediately, but they will have to hire about an additional 300.

This change will be GREAT for the pilots.....it'll provide some light in the darkness, and possibly create some new jobs. If it happens EVERYBODY will be recalling and/or hiring. Regionals, Majors, EVERYBODY. I'm hoping it happens for that reason. Let's get some guys back and get some more jobs out there!!

 

[ackattacker]

If these rule changes happen, there is going to be a LOT of recalls and a mini-hiring boom. Example, a buddy of mine at CAL called crew planning, worried about the possible upcoming furlough, and they are already looking at this. The news he heard was that if this rule change happens, not only will there be no furlough, and not only will they have to recall all 147 furloughs immediately, but they will have to hire about an additional 300.

This change will be GREAT for the pilots.....it'll provide some light in the darkness, and possibly create some new jobs. If it happens EVERYBODY will be recalling and/or hiring. Regionals, Majors, EVERYBODY. I'm hoping it happens for that reason. Let's get some guys back and get some more jobs out there!!

I agree completely. However the other side of the coin is that there is always the possibility of a financially shaky carrier not being able to absorb the cost of employing more crew members and going completely T.U.

Nevertheless I welcome the change. Lets hope its for real.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I agree completely. However the other side of the coin is that there is always the possibility of a financially shaky carrier not being able to absorb the cost of employing more crew members and going completely T.U.

Nevertheless I welcome the change. Lets hope its for real.

There is no doubt that this would put some financial burden on carriers. The good thing is that it would effect ALL carriers. With no competitive advantage all airlines will have to pass this on to the customer.

And yes! SWA will be impacted too, and maybe a little more than others. These rules may become more restrictive as to the number of legs in a duty period. So maybe even some hiring there!!!

Yogi

 

[jmreii]

If these rule changes happen, there is going to be a LOT of recalls and a mini-hiring boom. Example, a buddy of mine at CAL called crew planning, worried about the possible upcoming furlough, and they are already looking at this. The news he heard was that if this rule change happens, not only will there be no furlough, and not only will they have to recall all 147 furloughs immediately, but they will have to hire about an additional 300.

This change will be GREAT for the pilots.....it'll provide some light in the darkness, and possibly create some new jobs. If it happens EVERYBODY will be recalling and/or hiring. Regionals, Majors, EVERYBODY. I'm hoping it happens for that reason. Let's get some guys back and get some more jobs out there!!

The carrier I work for has a plan in place to eliminate service, shrink service, and to contract out service to international carriers.

 

[HHH]

Example, a buddy of mine at CAL called crew planning, worried about the possible upcoming furlough, and they are already looking at this. The news he heard was that if this rule change happens, not only will there be no furlough, and not only will they have to recall all 147 furloughs immediately, but they will have to hire about an additional 300.

Please be very, very certain of the credibility of your source. Latest from "official" channels (i.e. CALALPA, crew planning, CAL mgt., etc.) is furloughs WILL happen in the Fall. CAL mgt. postures that these new rule changes are "staffing neutral".

Don't shoot the messenger; just passing along what I heard.

 

[Ben Franklin]

CAL mgt. postures that these new rule changes are "staffing neutral".

Exactly. they'll just get more Captains to fly in the right seat and put out the VJM memos for everyone else. The open time WILL get covered by the company saviors... JUNIOR and senior alike.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[ExAF]

FAA vs Company

Commutting was my first question to him. He flatly said it was discussed but they know there is absolutely no way to control or monitor it. He said no rules on commuting.

Just because the FAA doesn't make rules on commuting doesn' mean the company won't make it's own rules.

 

[Browntothebone]

My first thought upon reading the list was to wonder how all the majors would finagle the system to operate under supplemental rules.

Some operations, particularly overnight freight with long hub sort hours, would need some relief from those rules as presented. We'd also very likely see an end to reasonable hotels that are 15-30 minutes away and start being stuck in the amenity-less dumps just off the airport property.

We operate under both domestic an flag rules. Our current contract limits us to just 11 hours max scheduled duty. Our contract also prohibits our company from putting us in amenity-less dump hotels. Your concerns might apply to your operation and other supplemental 121 cargo haulers, but not ours.

 

[NEDude]

If the ATA fails to kill this through lobbying, does anyone forsee them lobbying for a government bailout similar to the auto industry? The government changing the rules and increasing costs on an already financially strapped industry is a pretty good argument IMHO.

 

[Jetjockey]

Hey Brownonmybone...............why is it you never post on cargo board? For some supposed big shot UPS driver, you have nothing to say there? Your just a big poser, just like instructordoosh, pokemyhole, and the long list of other board trolls.

 

[CapnVegetto]

There is no doubt that this would put some financial burden on carriers. The good thing is that it would effect ALL carriers. With no competitive advantage all airlines will have to pass this on to the customer.

And yes! SWA will be impacted too, and maybe a little more than others. These rules may become more restrictive as to the number of legs in a duty period. So maybe even some hiring there!!!

Yogi

This hits the nail on the head. Ticket prices will HAVE to go up, because EVERYBODY will be affected. There will be no competitive advantage when this happens.

I see recalls happening and maybe even some hiring......it's simple math, you HAVE to have additional people because EVERYTHING on the schedules are going to change. No more standup overnights. No more reduced rest. No more 14-16 hour days. No more 9 hour rest periods. No more additional flying after redeyes. No more 4 to 5 hour airport appreciation sits. On the bright side, it will force the airlines to get off their asses and schedule more efficiently and effectively.

As far as CAL goes, God only knows. Hell, 6 months ago everyone was saying all recalls back in the fall with possible hiring. $hit....they even sent out letters to people in the 'hiring pool'. Now they're talking more furloughs. Management saying that these rule changes are 'staffing neutral' is complete bull$hit......I don't buy it for a second. Simple, 5th grade math. At the very least, the furloughs will be coming back if this happens....I'd bet my left nut on it.

 

[Green Banana]

If this goes as far as public lobbying or hearings, we need to organise a demonstration of pilots in uniform holding coffee cups and wearing sleep masks!

 

[CapnVegetto]

Please be very, very certain of the credibility of your source. Latest from "official" channels (i.e. CALALPA, crew planning, CAL mgt., etc.) is furloughs WILL happen in the Fall. CAL mgt. postures that these new rule changes are "staffing neutral".

Don't shoot the messenger; just passing along what I heard.

Well, right now, that is the plan. When my friend talked to crew planning, they said they were expecting about 200 to 250 furloughs effective in September, but that was assuming that this rule change doesn't happen. Simple 5th grade math says that CAL mgt. is COMPLETELY full of $hit saying that these possible rule changes are 'staffing neutral'. Remember, ya'll are negotiating for a contract, and mgt. wants everything to look as bad as humanly possible so they can push a piece of $hit contract on you. They can't come out and say that there might be recalls and possible hiring, because then they couldn't use the threat of furloughs to possibly get concessions from you. Doom and gloom is all they've got. If CAL started making a nice profit they wouldn't be able to go to negotiations and give you a sob story about how horrible everything is right now and they need you to accept minimum wage and no work rules so the company might survive.

Realistically, one thing I've learned in my meager 31 years on this earth is that the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. Take about half the doom and gloom the company is spewing and that's probably more along the lines of what it really is.