New Delta TA 06/2015

[PCL_128]

I haven't seen any evidence that the JV language proposed will result in lost jobs. Just a lot of rhetoric from the APC crowd that isn't smart enough to tie their own shoes. But if you have real data indicating that the JV language would be that devastating, then by all means, present it.

 

[redflyer65]

I'll have to check out what's going on over there. All my DL buddies are a No unless the roadshow changes their mind dramatically. Also have been told of recall efforts mostly because none of this is what the members wanted to be negotiated.

 

[PCL_128]

Yes, everyone always claims to be a no vote, and then it passes by 70%. People love to talk tough, but they want their money.

 

[jonjuan]

Yeah, those pay raises that bring total compensation to its highest level ever are a real bummer.

And historical concessions to boot. Pass the TA and we'll order 737s and 190s. Lololol......

 

[instructordude]

There is a lot of gotchas on this TA. The payscales are nice but what happens when the company cant afford them. What then? Another trip thru bankruptcy. I a reluctant yes on this bloated contract.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Instructordude: Get a life. And stop infecting APC. You're not funny. Eveyone knows you're a troll.

 

[GogglesPisano]

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[PCL_128]

Isn't everyone on APC a troll? That place is a cesspool.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Isn't everyone on APC a troll? That place is a cesspool.

You're kidding, right? Compared to this place, APC is a MENSA meeting.

 

[PCL_128]

Carl Spackler alone is enough to drive the average APC IQ down into the single digits.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Looks like Instructordude just got himself banned over on APC as we type. Maybe if this place would have gotten it's act together a few years ago it wouldn't be the ghost town it is now.

 

[instructordude]

Looks like Instructordude just got himself banned over on APC as we type. Maybe if this place would have gotten it's act together a few years ago it wouldn't be the ghost town it is now.

Ha ha! Could care less. You know whats funny is you guys are like a bunch of little bitchy wives. Think about what I said over on APC? Absolutely nothing that was bad, just stating I liked the TA. Total censorship. That TA will pass mark my word it will. It is a good one that rewards workers with raises, requires scammers to validate when sick and doesnt waste money paying people to sit on their asses at home. Vote it down and you will be in holding for awhile. But that wont happen itll pass. I will proudly vote yes.

 

[GogglesPisano]

See what I mean?

 

[instructordude]

See what I mean?

Nope.

The sun will rise tommorow just like this TA will pass. Sorry bro.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Relax Bill, most on here want you to get a great deal. Hell, I don't care who raises the bar, it could be Allegiant and I'd be happy for them. It helps everyone.

Now, since you decided to throw stone our way on top of your bizarre comment, let me say this....We have held the bar, for what? 10+ years? We still have one of the best contracts in the industry with absolutely no scope relief.

We all know that had nothing to do with DL pilots or even SW pilots, but the bankruptcies of multiple carriers and poor management decisions. It really doesn't matter at this point.

We've had a CEO just stiff arm us for over 2 years but we aren't caving. Jam-Bro actually got that right. I think what you'll see from our contract is 1- Higher hourly rates, 2- More retirement dollars, 3- A nice retro bonus back to the amendable date, etc. It helps if other carriers get good deals as well. Will the rates be as high as what your TA has? Not sure, but it would be nice.

Hope you guys get it worked out.

PCL, High pay rates don't mean squat if they reduce some of the flying available via JV relief, etc. We've seen this movie before. Remember high pay rates for just a few RJ's? How many mainline jobs lost? Thousands. Ask what happened United's LAX-FRA route when the gave JV relief.

Thanks for the advice. You settle your own problems, we'll take care of ours. I'll save the JV talk for another poster with experience in that sort of arrangment, hell, you don't even cross an ocean and you act like a professor on here.