New CS Rumors

[flagshipper]

By not having crews airline to an aircraft, they have increased the productivity of the airplane signifigantly and have also cut the charter costs signifigantly.

So by increasing the pilots at "super bases" they will have more and more crews and airplanes swapping at those domiciles. This in turn will save mucho $$.

I tell ya, I have not airlined much in the last year, and its AWESOME.

But hey, you guys have the big picture though, right? If companies listend to pilots, we would all make 1000000 a year, and never work.

There are several flaws I see with this concept, besides severely limiting our candidate pool and lowering pilot morale overall and adding wind to the union sail.:

1. Positioning always cost more than airline tickets. With an XL costing about 2k an hour just in gas you do the math.

2. We are in a seniority system now. Before the company could pick and choose who upgraded to what fleet and even out the bases sort of but now they have little to no control over this. There are some very large bases with some huge differences in CA/FO ratios and dispersion across the fleets. SAT is a decent size base but is 80 percent FOs.

3. By placing FOs in the 8 super bases it will be years or even decades before you would really realize any benefits of 8 bases with upgrades taking longer and longer.

4. Until recently, we were all hired with an understanding we could change between the 25 bases as desired. That is a huge QOL issue being stripped away without even a formal notice as of yet. Just because you raise the pay a little doesn't mean you can butt rape everyone.

I have found what commonly occurs on off tour day is that the crew (capt hpn based, fo gso based) fly the plane empty from mdw to hpn then the FO has to get on an airline anyway. or maybe vice versa but you are dropping 3k (plus operating cost)to get one guy home then still having to buy an airline ticket.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

By not having crews airline to an aircraft, they have increased the productivity of the airplane signifigantly and have also cut the charter costs signifigantly.

So by increasing the pilots at "super bases" they will have more and more crews and airplanes swapping at those domiciles. This in turn will save mucho $$.

I tell ya, I have not airlined much in the last year, and its AWESOME.

But hey, you guys have the big picture though, right? If companies listend to pilots, we would all make 1000000 a year, and never work.

Yea Richard, whatever you say.

 

[Diesel]

By not having crews airline to an aircraft, they have increased the productivity of the airplane signifigantly and have also cut the charter costs signifigantly.

So by increasing the pilots at "super bases" they will have more and more crews and airplanes swapping at those domiciles. This in turn will save mucho $$.

I tell ya, I have not airlined much in the last year, and its AWESOME.

But hey, you guys have the big picture though, right? If companies listend to pilots, we would all make 1000000 a year, and never work.

We might not have the big picture but we've seen this before and every time its been quickly backed out of by managment.

Lets ask ourselves which is cheaper. Airlining a crew from both sides of the country to an airplane, or moving said airplane back to a "super base".

Hmmmmmmm.

While you airlining might be inconvenient for you it really saves the company a bunch of money.

But hey I'm sure CS can do it better than everyone else.

 

[RCR5]

That sux......But its comming! This is just the beginning. Ask yourself, better yet ask management, what sense a basing system really has?

Would you please elaborate on this comment? I realize it is just an opinion, but I am curious. Thank you.

 

[RNObased]

Why else would they be reducing bases? What about Flex or Flops apparently reducing bases. It's cheaper. I don't agree, but it is what it is.

Jonjuan,
This opionion comes from what?? Lost of research or something you heard in a bar??

The facts are that it isn't cheaper, but you run with your half baked opionion.

 

[Sparse]

4. Until recently, we were all hired with an understanding we could change between the 25 bases as desired. That is a huge QOL issue being stripped away without even a formal notice as of yet. Just because you raise the pay a little doesn't mean you can butt rape everyone.

Qol? How many guys actually change bases? It matters not a dime to me. It only matterred when I was hired.

I have found what commonly occurs on off tour day is that the crew (capt hpn based, fo gso based) fly the plane empty from mdw to hpn then the FO has to get on an airline anyway. or maybe vice versa but you are dropping 3k (plus operating cost)to get one guy home then still having to buy an airline ticket.

In your example, the aircraft is now in HPN, a rumored super base. Now it can be theoretically crewed with a new captain and fo from HPN.

I don't agree with what they are doing but I don't have all of the facts.

 

[Fozzy]

No contract, no security.

According to our favorite village idiot, this is CS management "being able to react". To what, you will never know.

Sorry to hear it guys, but this is what you really get for riding on someones coat tails.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

Right now this is an uncomfirmed rumour. My ACP says he thinks it will happen, but one call to another level above him said they were bouncing the idea back and forth. CS is a company that sometimes thinks out loud. If it is turned into an official policy then we can all get out out pitchforks and form a mob. Until then we may be arguing a point that the company is purely looking at. The company should have the right to analyze an idea to see what affect it wil have financially. If it doesn't work then I'm sure they will abondon it. Sometimes I question if I work at the same place as some of the people who post on flightinfo. Our last group of callouts didnt work and were changed when the pilots showed how stupid it was. Our original hotel reserve call in rule also went out the window when guys showed that it didn't work and affected our QOL. CSM has listened at times, the question I have is how many of you posting about how much it sucks have dropped an email to the chief pilot? Let me guess you discussed it with your ACP? The same ACP who knew about the senority system 30seconds before the email went out.

 

[SkyMiles]

The CS website says they are ONLY hiring for "the 8 bases".

 

[SKYLAWYER]

The CS website says they are ONLY hiring for "the 8 bases".

Yes they are currently only recruting for 8 bases. I am talking about the unconfirmed rumours that those of us here won't be able to leave our current bases. It could be true but the way to prevent that from happening is not by posting it on this forum. I also don't believe its one of those things that a union could save us from. NJ was union when they were reduced to a small number of bases also. Hopefully CS will realise it does not save money, and pushes away good candidates. Only that will get it to change, or 400 pilots filling the inbox of the chief pilot. Action usually solves much more than words do.