New Astar contract

[goastar]

Here is a question for the Astar guys here on the forum. I'm not trying to flame but we have been dancing around this question for awhile. If Astar's ALPA claims are successful in court and the Astar pilots are awarded all the current Astar and ABX flying within North America, what do you guys think should happen to ABX and its pilots? I am not asking for legal interpretation just for your honest opinion. I keep hearing from the ER ALPA guys "the teamsters would be pursuing the same legal path if the roles were reversed". I don't believe that is a valid point, it is nothing more than pure speculation that you are using to justify your legal quests.

:uzi: ABX :smash:

The way I see it, if we don't answer you will assume, if we do, you won't believe us, come on Clipper. This seems to be what you are hunting for, and are under the impression that we are trying to do to you. Give me a break!!! How about y'all, what would happen to astar and its pilots if the situation was reversed?
Oh wait, thats right, its not a valid question. Sorry!

Thats it for me,I'm done with this thread, good luck to us all.

 

[skycruizer]

Here is a question for the Astar guys here on the forum. I'm not trying to flame but we have been dancing around this question for awhile. If Astar's ALPA claims are successful in court and the Astar pilots are awarded all the current Astar and ABX flying within North America, what do you guys think should happen to ABX and its pilots? I am not asking for legal interpretation just for your honest opinion. I keep hearing from the ER ALPA guys "the teamsters would be pursuing the same legal path if the roles were reversed". I don't believe that is a valid point, it is nothing more than pure speculation that you are using to justify your legal quests.

I think it’s a valid point but that’s ok, I respect your opinion Clipper. Honestly (and I mean honestly) I have never really thought about that very much. All ALPA has ever asked for is that the grievance be arbitrated. And we all know what that process will produce...split of the baby. It’s not very realistic to believe an arbitrator would render a decision that in effect would kill ABX and cost DHL million$. We are most probably stuck with each other for many years. I believe there is a better possibility that Hete will look for a higher return for his stockholders and pursue other more lucrative acmi business with other customers.

Time to drink beer now, like my bro said...good luck to us all.

 

[two(2)%]

BTW:

How was that scope meeting for Astar on Thur. evening?

 

[ABX9av8or]

Both ABX and Astar should agree that jump seat abuse will not be tolerated. Even though a couple of people may not have used good judgement on the ride to work with respect to the jump seat. The jump seats in and out of ILN are very valuable. The following letter was posted on behalf of both Unions

To: All ASTAR and ABX Air Pilots
From: ASTAR MEC Chairman Earl Smith
Teamsters Local 1224 President Dan Graves

RE: Jumpseats


It has come to our attention that ASTAR and ABX Captains have considered
denying off line jumpseat pilots commuting to and from work for
political reasons or in response to rumors. Please keep in mind that
ASTAR and ABX are the only airlines in ILN. ABX and ASTAR pilots rely
on each others' jumpseats to get to and from work with as little
inconvenience as possible. Both union jumpseat coordinators are working
their best to keep an open line of communications on jumpseat issues.
Both ASTAR and ABX are going to be in ILN for a long time therefore
please keep the politics out of it and grant your fellow aviator a ride.


We both agree that off line jumpseats is a very important quality of
life issue for many pilots. Leaving someone behind for political
reasons or in response to a rumor hurts everyone.

If you should have any jumpseat difficulties, issues or concerns please
contact ASTAR Jumpseat Chair John Nolan or 1224 Jumpseat Chair Joe
Sperry.

 

[hvydriver]

2% is Rhoid.

 

[erichartmann]

We both agree that off line jumpseats is a very important quality of
life issue for many pilots.

Having a job is a least as important a quality of life issue as a ride to work. Perhaps Astar's ALPA unit will back off trying to legally corece the customer into ceasing to do business with ABX.

 

[Clipperskip]

I think it’s a valid point but that’s ok, I respect your opinion Clipper. Honestly (and I mean honestly) I have never really thought about that very much. All ALPA has ever asked for is that the grievance be arbitrated. And we all know what that process will produce...split of the baby. It’s not very realistic to believe an arbitrator would render a decision that in effect would kill ABX and cost DHL million$. We are most probably stuck with each other for many years. I believe there is a better possibility that Hete will look for a higher return for his stockholders and pursue other more lucrative acmi business with other customers.

Time to drink beer now, like my bro said...good luck to us all.

Thanks Sky,

I really do appreciate your response. I think most Astar pilots feel as you do. I will continue to offer my jumpseat to ER guys, three in the past week. I would never make off line jumpseats a political issue, never. In fact, I look at it as a good opportunity to discuss the issue with our ER brothers so they may better understand our view, and we may see their side as well.

 

[Clipperskip]

:uzi: ABX :smash:

The way I see it, if we don't answer you will assume, if we do, you won't believe us, come on Clipper. This seems to be what you are hunting for, and are under the impression that we are trying to do to you. Give me a break!!! How about y'all, what would happen to astar and its pilots if the situation was reversed?
Oh wait, thats right, its not a valid question. Sorry!

Thats it for me,I'm done with this thread, good luck to us all.

Come on Goastar,

You took the cowardly way out on this one. I am hunting for your opinion that is all. If you have noticed I am not the flamebaiter on this board. Once again, your only answer to the question is to turn it around and claim that ABX would be doing the same thing if the suitation was reversed.

 

[two(2)%]

2% is Rhoid.

You mean freightnazi, the former ABX now current DC8 pilot who's good friends with the former ABX DC8 standards pilot? not me.

Astar ALPA convened on Aug 8-31 eve to discuss scope, successorship, et al. I assume they met primarily to discuss securing their respective positions and procuring all subsequent flying from DHL. Obviously these efforts aim to exclude ABX from flying DHL freight. This language has been included in their contract since prior to consolidation. Their MEC seemed privy to the spin-off and now appear (feverishly working on scope) to be hastily shoring up the loose ends. I believe one of the above authors may have even chaired that meeting.

ABX Teamsters doesn't seem quite so concerned. Not sure why. They definitely received the short end the last time. You know the one about squeaky wheels... blah blah.

 

[hvydriver]

Sorry 2%, but I think you are. You obviously have "no dog in this fight", and do nothing but try to stir up trouble. If you aren't Rhoid, then you're his long lost cousin. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[two(2)%]

Sorry 2%, but I think you are. You obviously have "no dog in this fight", and do nothing but try to stir up trouble. If you aren't Rhoid, then you're his long lost cousin. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Heavy:

I think I am two-percent. In fact, I'm low fat. Ask any ABX jumpseater about "2" and they'll tell you I speak nothing of the truth. Sorry I meant to say nothing but the truth.


two-percent out

 

[hvydriver]

I think I am two-percent. In fact, I'm low fat. Ask any ABX jumpseater about "2" and they'll tell you I speak nothing of the truth. Sorry I meant to say nothing but the truth.


I think you had it right the first time. LOL Just because you listen to our hotline doesn't mean you know what the discussion was at our meeting, except it concerned scope. I will say it one last time. We are not out to get ABX off the ramp. I'm done with this conversation too. It's going nowhere. Good luck to all.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Does anybody (besides me) remember that episode of "The Twilight Zone" in which the guests at a suburban garden party see some weird lights and hear funny noises, and assume they're evidence that space aliens are about to invade earth? Neighbor begins turning against neighbor, until the entire community sucombs to anarchy.

As the camera's point-of-view fades back, you see these 2 aliens sitting in their flying saucer. One says to the other, "See, we don't have to destroy the earthlings. All we have to do is incite a little fear and uncertainty in them, and they will destroy each other."

I tell ya, it's like deja-vu all over again...

 

[hvydriver]

Yep. Good analogy, Dan.

 

[skycruizer]

BTW:

How was that scope meeting for Astar on Thur. evening?

Went well, thanks for asking...
This meeting was no secrete. AAC has obligations to our CBA. They are not living up to those obligations and this meeting included an update about that (sound familiar?).