New Astar contract

[erichartmann]

Don't need to get tit for tat on the seat. We need them to ride too.

Any such clause will go directly to court and stay there for years. First, due to our present and future "me too" clauses in our scope language. Second, it's been years and the first scope case hasn't been settled yet.

IF DHL/DP sign off on both sides' scopes then a merger is inevitable.

On another topic, having seen the UPS&FDX TAs I hope Astar doesn't even consider anything concessionary...we sure aren't.

Find another way to ride. I'm not sure I want to help someone who's actively trying take my job away get to work. :uzi:

 

[ABXbooger]

Regarding the first post: why would Astars TA even have to go to DHL? DHL has nothing to do with accepting or negotiating a contract with Astar.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Find another way to ride. I'm not sure I want to help someone who's actively trying take my job away get to work. :uzi:

Ahh, zee forces in zee Reichstag must be smiling when zey read of such silliness. Let zee squabbling and zee infighting begin!!!

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Regarding the first post: why would Astars TA even have to go to DHL? DHL has nothing to do with accepting or negotiating a contract with Astar.

The most logical answer is that DHL's contract with ASTAR is cost-plus, subject to certain provisions. It probably allows for some, but not unlimited, increases in labor costs. Does that mean that ASTAR pilots are going to get what UPS and FedEx got? Not necessarily, but it does mitigate in their favor. The bad news is that ASTAR's contract to carry DHL freight doesn't run indefinitely. Meaning that, at some point, they become just another ACMI carrier. And we all know how DHL treats their ACMI carriers...

Speaking of which, I heard that Gemini is finally out of bankruptcy. How about Kittyhawk and Kalitta? And whatever happened to Air Tahoma?

 

[skycruizer]

Erichardass

If Astar pilots really have such a clause in their contract scope proposal, rejected or not, ABX pilots might want to re-think letting Astar pilots ride ABX jumpseats to and from work.:angryfire

Your sturrin the pot energetically aren't you? I doubt you depend on a jumpseat to get to work. Nice try but no one will take your bait. Go play your games elsewhere and have a nice day.

 

[goastar]

AMEN BROTHER!!!! You've got my vote. Hartman, you need a hug bro,uke: ,relax.

On another topic, having seen the UPS&FDX TAs I hope Astar doesn't even consider anything concessionary...we sure aren't.[/quote]

 

[goastar]

Yea, then we can staple you to the bottom.:laugh: You know some dummy was going to say it, just wanted to get it over with. My fingers are crossed for the merger, the bigger we all are, the better off we are.

Go big gray,blue,gray,blue!! (cheerleading) :beer:


"IF DHL/DP sign off on both sides' scopes then a merger is inevitable."

 

[AV8OR]

Look, nobody knows a dang thing. Anybody who says they do, is lyin'. As for DHL, yep, they have to sign off on it. It's ultimately them who pays th bills. As what is going to happen to us and ABX, believe me, it's not gonna be decided by a scope clause or a court hearing. It's gona be decided by who the customer wants to fly the freight.......just like it is right now. AStar flying given to ABX ABX flying given to AStar. One common thread....DHL calling the shots.

AS for a pissing contest over JS's. That's just friggin stupid by anyone, seeing as the city you have have and need today, (on either side), may not be there tomorrow. We both have scope clauses. We both have contractual rights. We both should excersise them to the fullest extent when DHL violates it,..........cause they're gonna.

Peace Out.

 

[Clipperskip]

DHL, Astar, & ABX

Look, nobody knows a dang thing. Anybody who says they do, is lyin'. As for DHL, yep, they have to sign off on it. It's ultimately them who pays th bills. As what is going to happen to us and ABX, believe me, it's not gonna be decided by a scope clause or a court hearing. It's gona be decided by who the customer wants to fly the freight.......just like it is right now. AStar flying given to ABX ABX flying given to AStar. One common thread....DHL calling the shots.

AS for a pissing contest over JS's. That's just friggin stupid by anyone, seeing as the city you have have and need today, (on either side), may not be there tomorrow. We both have scope clauses. We both have contractual rights. We both should excersise them to the fullest extent when DHL violates it,..........cause they're gonna.

Peace Out.

Well put AV8OR! Let us not forget that it was DHL management that mishandled the entire ILN integration! If it weren't for that boondoogle then these painful issues would probably not exist as they do today. We would have gained market share or at least maintained what DHL and Airborne Express collectively had at the time of the buyout. As it were, we are now all concerned with claiming "our share" of a smaller pie. Too sad! It could have been done so much better and we all could have come out as winners. I think we will still get there but I fear that it will take much longer.

 

[erichartmann]

Your sturrin the pot energetically aren't you? I doubt you depend on a jumpseat to get to work. Nice try but no one will take your bait. Go play your games elsewhere and have a nice day.

No I don't. My choice for many years. Most of the people I talk to who now live (or lived for a while in Astar stations) chose not to ride them for a variety of reasons. They made other arrangements. You could also.

I'm not playing "games". I simply don't see the point in smiling nicely and helping someone get to work who is trying to, by any means possible, take my job. IF, and its a big one, Astar's NC has such language on the table, one has to believe their MEC and the membership as a whole approve. You want to make nice nice with someone who is trying to take your job, screw up your career, deprive you of your ability to pay your mortage and feed your family, you go right ahead. uke: I'm not sure I'm going to. :bomb: