New ALPA Message to USAirways Pilots pt 3

[wscrj]

Ah Grog....still trying to apply logic and common sense to a highly emotional issue. Did you learn nothing at your former employer?!

Silly caveman.

 

[Fast43]

F'd guys? F'd guys? Geezus, these are people with families, mortgages, college to pay for. They've been through hell for 16 years.


How silly of those of us at AWA, none of us have families or mortgages or even college to pay for. Indeed you have been through hell for 16 years and I insist on trashing my own career to fix yours
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in the east where all the revenue is made, continuously for over 20 years.



Jeeze, I guess you haven't read financial papers for over 20 years because "all" the revenue you speak of was barely enough to get AAA into BANKRUPTCY twice. Only to emerge after the 2nd time after the efforts and agreement of the CEO of AWA. Could it be why Lakefield remarked at how this was more than YOU could have hoped for....................



Just what brand of CRACK do you guys smoke over there and keep a medical ?????????????

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[KeroseneSnorter]

I can't believe they're upgrading people who were on the street 2 yrs ago.

The junior west guys have been dealt the largest helping of sh^t in this deal and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.

You were hired with AWA in October of 2004 with 2900 hours Total Time, and you are complaining about a guy that was hired in 1988 getting a Captain seat in the most junior airplane!!???

Most of the Junior guys on the Airways seniority list still have more time of active service than you do with the carrier and they have been furloughed for 6 years!!

There are folks at AWA that have a right to bi#$h about items like this........however you are not one of them.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

You won't get any of the AWA guys to vote to decertify, and there will be enough intelligent minds on the East side to keep USAPA from getting the majority they need.

I got no dog in this fight but you forgot one thing....this vote is only for the East guys...not the west guys.

 

[PCL_128]

I got no dog in this fight but you forgot one thing....this vote is only for the East guys...not the west guys.

Not true. As far as the NMB is concerned, this is a single bargaining unit now, and both East and West will have a vote. In order for the decert to go through, USAPA will have to convince a majority of the combined total group to vote for it.

 

[abefly]

I got no dog in this fight but you forgot one thing....this vote is only for the East guys...not the west guys.

NO actually the vote is for all US Air Pilots...East and West.....Since they have the higher majority of pilots they could force the west pilots to USAPA...after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to the west pilots after years of law suits.....

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

USAPA... It will be easy to prove that it was created to F the West pilots which is a big no-no with the NMB.

ALPA might go away but USAPA will not be the union. Another lawsuit lost by the remnants of the East.

 

[glasspilot1]

No. This is not anything like the APA/TWA deal.

Unlike APA/TWA, AAA and AWA is a ALPA on ALPA merger and so should go according to ALPA merger policy. Unless one party throws a hissy fit and then it's up for grabs!

 

[glasspilot1]

Hey, even if AAA(east) succeeds in throwing out ALPA aren't they still bound by the binding arbitration?

Just asking.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Binding arbitration will be upheld. Even USAPA thinks it will remain.

What USAPA aims to do now is build fences between the groups to shut out the West pilots from upgrades. Ala republic/northwest.

Nice bunch of guys... trying to cloak themselves by saying we're for all the USAirways Pilots while at the same time trying to F a third of the pilots on property.

 

[Crzipilot]

I guess 1/3 screwed is better than 2/3???? couldn't resist...

 

[PHXFLYR]

F'd guys? F'd guys? Geezus, these are people with families, mortgages, college to pay for. They've been through hell for 16 years.





Oh!!! Those greedy bastards!!! 100 pilots who've worked at this airline, in the east where all the revenue is made, continuously for over 20 years. Jeeze, those upgrade should have gone west. I wonder how bad you'll be crying about slow advancement after the next merger.




That's probably the most naive quote ever on this board....!

Who's facing a third furlough? every East pilot hired since 1988, while no West pilot will likely ever have to share that pain.

Hiring off the street? That means there won't be furloughs? What F'en planet are you on? Is it a junior base?



And most East pilots never intended to work at AWA, especially when it was a bottom feeder. So....what's your point? That if a pilot never intended to work at a different airline then he should just cruise through life? WTF are you talking about?




Right. And that means........?

That you are the biggest a$$hole ever to set foot in an airplane.


Phxflyr

 

[weasel_lips]

Binding arbitration will be upheld. Even USAPA thinks it will remain.

What USAPA aims to do now is build fences between the groups to shut out the West pilots from upgrades. Ala republic/northwest.

Nice bunch of guys... trying to cloak themselves by saying we're for all the USAirways Pilots while at the same time trying to F a third of the pilots on property.

Yes, a 20 year fence was it?

 

[A350]

Grog:

If your greatest ambition in life was to be an airline pilot and work for AWA, then that is your choice.

USAir was one of the top places to work in 1987 and with the exception of the furlough in 1990 that lasted 7 years, was head and shoulders above AWA. And it was still head and shoulders above AWA after the first bankruptcy. Hell, we still had a pension.

Your'e right. We had $hitty management. However, we had 455 aircraft and we received a new Airbus every week for two years, including the A330's. We made millions of dollars in the good years. Our FO's made more than your CA's for YEARS. Now you come off like AWA was the Pan Am of the 90's. What a joke. We furloughed more pilots than AWA has. So much for being the place to work.

You think it is fair that a guy hired in 1999 will never face furlough while a guy hired in 1988 can lose his job the next industry downturn? Not one AWA pilot will ever lose his job. The East pilots bear that responsibility on their own. Forgive them if they don't go away quietly.

The 100 or so Easties who upgraded deserved every one of the upgrades...because it was their attrition that led to the vacancy in the first place. You think you deserve it? You think if you were offered a job from wherever the hell you came from in 1999 at USAir you would have told them no? I doubt it.

You can say what you want, it is a free country. I think you are being quite untruthful with yourself if you believe any of the stuff you say.

A350

 

[eaglefly]

Binding arbitration will be upheld. Even USAPA thinks it will remain.

What USAPA aims to do now is build fences between the groups to shut out the West pilots from upgrades. Ala republic/northwest.

Nice bunch of guys... trying to cloak themselves by saying we're for all the USAirways Pilots while at the same time trying to F a third of the pilots on property.

Then U management will act.

They'll begin transferring your aircraft to the west and having them flown by others.

They're not (and should not) be held hostage by a bunch of infantile crybabies demanding their way at any and all costs.

U will be much better off in the long run.