New AGE limit discussion

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

In other words, maybe letting pilots play with guns is not such a good idea?

Funny how the guys I fly with don't need them, they should screen that program like the military, they'd come in and classmates about them as a person or where JetBlue was supposedly calling your neighbors and asking about you as a person!

And No, I'm not saying pilots shouldn't carry guns, I think they should wear them out in the terminal, the idiot passengers may act different, playing with junior guys livelihood is not a good idea! I can do it just as easy in a airport /Crashpad car with "bad brakes".

Youve had your 5 more years, you're a captain, on your next few months trips after climbing through 10k, why don't you start up every leg with a new FO with "I am helping make a push to change the retirement age to 67 (or 70, or whatever!)!"

Let's see how it will go....we'll start the list here, I'm sure FO's will add as we go!

1) the silent treatment
2) a 7 hour migraine inducing headache!
3) a blatant FU
4)getting turned in to pro standards for some kind of mental issue
5) reading about you getting your beat down in flight and pulled off the aircraft at destination for a "severe turbulence issue"
...

Give us a report back in 3 months, since you only fly 1 tree day every 7-9 days we should get 9-12 responses, good luck with that, we're standing by!

KBB

 

[outerlimits]

In other words, maybe letting pilots play with guns is not such a good idea?

No, old geysers should leave, step aside, move on ect....

 

[zonejumper]

No, old geysers should leave, step aside, move on ect....

I'm pretty sure geysers can't leave, step aside OR move.

 

[Fubijaakr]

We have some doozies over here at Delta.

You have to get hired by Delta before you can upgrade.

....55 years old, but still. Do we need guys pushing the envelope?

Funny how every time a young guy dies in flight, none of you advocate for lowering the retirement age.

He will never leave the seat unless forced out.

I guess the inheritance won't be enough.

It took decades to get 65 approved, and only after ICAO led the charge.

Actually it took less than 30 days.

In other words, maybe letting pilots play with guns is not such a good idea?

Well, Homeland Security agrees. They cut the budget for the FFDO program in half.

Lovely, another "get out of my seat" thread. Hate to break it to you boys, but Age 65 isn't going away. Time to get over it. Let's see how you feel about it when YOU'RE approaching 60. After all, unless you're 4 years old, Age 60 was the law when YOU started, too.

God forbid anyone accuse you youngsters of hypocrisy.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

At this rate I will never upgrade. I am guessing it was a Delta pilot. We have some doozies over here at Delta.

Who do you work for again?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Who do you work for again?

Not Delta, that's for sure.

 

[UnstableAviator]

All of the older people in my extended family couldn't wait retire from thier normal jobs, no idea why pilots want to work forever. Smart people too, one was an engineer, nuclear plant maintenence tech, etc. Maybe it'll be different for me at age 60+, but I don't think pilot behavior in this case is "normal". We're all institutionalized I guess..."Brooks was here."

 

[SWA Bubba]

....... Well, Homeland Security agrees. They cut the budget for the FFDO program in half......

Actually, it wasn't Homeland Security. They would probably like to increase the budget. After initial resistance (primarily due to "turf issues"), currently every segment of Homeland Security agrees that the FFDO program is one of the most important security layers, and without question the most cost effective security element in the entire transportation system. For example, it costs the government about $15 to have an armed pilot on a flight. It costs about $3000 to have an armed FAM on a flight (figures from FFDO program). That's serious "bang for your buck."

It was the President, in his proposed budget that he submitted. Even though the budget was only $25M, he proposed cutting it to $12M. To put that in perspective, $12M is about what it takes to protect his wife, by herself, for one year. I guess that's about equal: protecting one person vs. helping protect all the nation's civil aircraft, not to mention potential ground 'targets.'

Just some perspective.

Bubba

 

[inline]

It took decades to get 65 approved, and only after ICAO led the charge.

You guys are getting yourselves all spun up for no reason. But keep going, it's hilarious to watch.

And Pres George W Bush signed the age 65 bill into law. Thank you Pres Bush.

 

[outerlimits]

Who do you work for again?

You first my friend

 

[tomgoodman]

All of the older people in my extended family couldn't wait retire from thier normal jobs, no idea why pilots want to work forever.

If only one guy (who could afford to retire) wants to keep working at an apparently lousy job, he is probably weird. If several guys want to do that, they might all be weird. But if hundreds of guys want to do it, maybe the job is not really that lousy.

 

[Hpilot]

I've heard our #1 on the list was just in DC lobbying for an increase in the age limit to 70. He has more money than he knows what to do with and enough to be dangerous. He will never leave the seat unless forced out.

Therein lies the problem, these @$$holes have the time and money to be back there lobbying. The junior guys are flying their butts off, making poop wages. Remember how quickly they shoved through 65, practically in the dead of night. You can bet those slime sucking sons of a beetches are working on it right now.

 

[Hpilot]

Lovely, another "get out of my seat" thread. Hate to break it to you boys, but Age 65 isn't going away. Time to get over it. Let's see how you feel about it when YOU'RE approaching 60. After all, unless you're 4 years old, Age 60 was the law when YOU started, too.

I'm already over age 65, learned to accept it. It's age fly till' you die that worries me. We've stagnated enough already.

 

[tab flyer]

In other words, maybe letting pilots play with guns is not such a good idea?

Or maybe the screening process worked in his case.

 

[SIG600]

Lovely, another "get out of my seat" thread. Hate to break it to you boys, but Age 65 isn't going away. Time to get over it. Let's see how you feel about it when YOU'RE approaching 60. After all, unless you're 4 years old, Age 60 was the law when YOU started, too.

God forbid anyone accuse you youngsters of hypocrisy.

If I'm still working past 55, then I've failed in my plan. Save and max out every possible retirement vehicle I can pump money into. The day my passive income surpasses my standard of living, I'm out. Rather than spend every dollar earned in a need to work until I'm dead.

We can at least thank the out going generation for that lesson.

 

[sean67]

You have to get hired by Delta before you can upgrade.



Funny how every time a young guy dies in flight, none of you advocate for lowering the retirement age.



I guess the inheritance won't be enough.



Actually it took less than 30 days.



Well, Homeland Security agrees. They cut the budget for the FFDO program in half.

Lovely, another "get out of my seat" thread. Hate to break it to you boys, but Age 65 isn't going away. Time to get over it. Let's see how you feel about it when YOU'RE approaching 60. After all, unless you're 4 years old, Age 60 was the law when YOU started, too.

God forbid anyone accuse you youngsters of hypocrisy.

Get a life pal! Move on to the next chapter of your life! There's more out there for you!.....

 

[Quimby]

If I'm still working past 55, then I've failed in my plan. Save and max out every possible retirement vehicle I can pump money into. The day my passive income surpasses my standard of living, I'm out. Rather than spend every dollar earned in a need to work until I'm dead.

We can at least thank the out going generation for that lesson.

+1

word

 

[waveflyer]

+1

word

+2

Word up

 

[waveflyer]

My unpopular belief again-
Go ahead- fly til you can't hold a medical under the current system. No captain's over 60-
It's statistically the safest, just as we have more experienced pilots watch the youngsters develop and mature until they reach 23 years old before we let them captain- we should have <60 year old experienced captains watch and evaluate older pilots as they age.

Humans are simply not good at evaluating their age related impairment related to anything. Flying commercial jets is too important to make the Canadian law valid here.
FO all you want til 80 IF you're competent, that's fair. but you shouldn't captain past 60. And certainly not past 65.

 

[pilotyip]

Here we go again

My unpopular belief again-
Go ahead- fly til you can't hold a medical under the current system. No captain's over 60-
It's statistically the safest, just as we have more experienced pilots watch the youngsters develop and mature until they reach 23 years old before we let them captain- we should have <60 year old experienced captains watch and evaluate older pilots as they age.

Humans are simply not good at evaluating their age related impairment related to anything. Flying commercial jets is too important to make the Canadian law valid here.
FO all you want til 80 IF you're competent, that's fair. but you shouldn't captain past 60. And certainly not past 65.

classic "Get out of my seat"

 

[Flopgut]

From two top sources: There is NO credible effort to raise the retirement age again. There are a few random pilots trying to do something, but they are regarded as pathetic.

I fly with the oldest guys left. Couple recent observations: Having two knees replaced ought to be disqualifying. Lifelong smoker should be as well. The guys who will be retiring at 65 are not going to handle retirement well. Even with the windfall, they are extremely bitter. If you are flying with one, watch the airplane close and watch your back even closer. We're all going to see retaliation and cronyism as these guys lash out at the world.

 

[JOPILOT]

Flown with several 60+ ers and a few were a total handful and one was still super sharp, just depends on how they are built genetically and how they have managed their lifestyle.

I can't see many pilots being able to hold it together after the age of 65 without a very competent co-pilot, so when one crashes the bird because they forget what it is they were doing, discussions on restrictions on which seat they can fly etc will be withheld. The old have to wait until someone dies to see a change! ...until then just don't be the one they kill! Watch your butt!

Pilot shortage LOL. JP

 

[ttuite]

I was on a crew bus the other day and heard two guys from another airline talking about going to 67, If I'd have been a FFDO he would've "Retired" right there...

Moron was saying he made more as a 737 captain in '84 then he was making now on a 767...You've had your turn, it's time to go!!! I'm sorry you spent it on ex wives, and lost what was left in Bankruptcy BUT if you've been a Captain that long and didn't save anything, Don't know what to tell you BUT BYE BYE!

Later,
KBB

I think that all of you old farts over 40 should get out of my seat! You had your chance and you didn't make it, so what if the economy has been bad, so what if the retirement age was raised, so what if they cut back on capacity. None of that matters. It was all in your control wasn't it? Again, you had your chance get out of my seat!!!!

 

[Citjok]

At US Airways there are MANY pilots over 63 right now with 1,500 hours of sick bank and they don't want to leave. They rather loose 1,500 hours of FULL pay than stop working. What a bunch of scumbags!!! Yeah!! blame it on the 5 ex-wives.

 

[waveflyer]

classic "Get out of my seat"

Yeah yip, you're right, here we go again- I've laid out all my reasons time and again- and you ignore them and respond with "classic, get out of my seat".
You're nothing but an irrational troll on this subject.
Refute my argument, but stop telling me what my real intentions are- I have more integrity in my pinky than most boomers have shown themselves to have in their whole body. And the difference between captain money and FO money is stupid to me- not even close to worth giving up the seniority. Upgrade thinking is regional thinking- and I get a whole lot bigger ego boost from helping to run our business, than I ever will from sitting in the left seat again-
I just don't care.
Now is it that for some? Sure. But that's not an altogether bad argument either since boomers benefitted from madatory retirement ages their whole career-
But that's not my argument - and you're reallby showing that you have flimsy arguments by always going that route

 

[waveflyer]

From two top sources: There is NO credible effort to raise the retirement age again. There are a few random pilots trying to do something, but they are regarded as pathetic.

I fly with the oldest guys left. Couple recent observations: Having two knees replaced ought to be disqualifying. Lifelong smoker should be as well. The guys who will be retiring at 65 are not going to handle retirement well. Even with the windfall, they are extremely bitter. If you are flying with one, watch the airplane close and watch your back even closer. We're all going to see retaliation and cronyism as these guys lash out at the world.

Well, yeah- but I'm not carrying anybody who's supposed to be in command-- I'll get the right words on the tape and make sure they don't crash and I don't get violatedto and I won't bait anyone or like seeing it- but if I see a 64 year old sent packing bc his attitude is crap and skills eroded, I'm not going to cry. I'm not into "furthering the progress of the PIC"

 

[Mamma]

I think that all of you old farts over 40 should get out of my seat! You had your chance and you didn't make it, so what if the economy has been bad, so what if the retirement age was raised, so what if they cut back on capacity. None of that matters. It was all in your control wasn't it? Again, you had your chance get out of my seat!!!!

If your a regional FO you might have a case. Are you? If not, then you just went full retard. Don't ever do that.

 

[pilotyip]

Yeah yip, you're right, ...............
But that's not my argument - and you're reallby showing that you have flimsy arguments by always going that route

Hi long time no name calling. I am all for any type of testing, mental, physical, etc to determine who should be able to fly an airplane, but it is uniformly applied across all age brackets starting at say age 40 when the EKG kicks in ever year. But to say these tests start at age 60, or 65 to eliminate the older pilots, while not subjecting the younger pilots to the same test, is well just "Get out of my seat" again

 

[waveflyer]

Dont act like a troll, wont be called a troll-
That's another problem yip- old guys of course want more testing-
I don't trust that the FAA would be all that reasonable-
That's the good thing about a mandatory retirement age, is we get to avoid a lot of layers of beauracracy-
The data on under 60 pilots is 50 years strong- why would we subject ourselves to testing for no reason? if you guys want to make the case for staying longer by suggesting more testing by the govt then let it apply to you.
I say avoid that by letting it work like the FE. Fly all you want- but you won't have final authority- let the under 60 captains evaluate you as you age-
"Get out of my seat" would be a better argument, if older pilots didn't get to that seat bc of retirement rules- Older pilots are just as guilty- is it fair to say Yip, that you're argument is: "I got mine, now I want yours"?

 

[outerlimits]

If the majors start to hire hotties like we have the old fats will fight to death to stay.

There wife number 5 would be younger than there grand kids