NetJets To Picket

[BentOver]

You basically proposed that it was the pilots rather than Lorenzo, who was at fault.....any more questions?

Please stop posting. You are giving anyone at NJA a bad name just by spewing your anti-union, pro management, do anything at all costs to ensure the survival of the company, rhetoric. Even if it means cheapening the profession.

You are a cancer and you resemble a 23 yr. old regional pilot yearning for an upgrade at the expense of his fellow aviators.

I know, I know, Fifth Amendment, freedom of speach yada yada...... Bottim line, luckily there are very few of your types around NJA.

 

[G4dude]

You basically proposed that it was the pilots rather than Lorenzo, who was at fault.....any more questions?

Please stop posting. You are giving anyone at NJA a bad name just by spewing your anti-union, pro management, do anything at all costs to ensure the survival of the company, rhetoric. Even if it means cheapening the profession.

You are a cancer and you resemble a 23 yr. old regional pilot yearning for an upgrade at the expense of his fellow aviators.

I know, I know, Fifth Amendment, freedom of speach yada yada...... Bottim line, luckily there are very few of your types around NJA.

Perhaps you should actually READ my posts. I mainly blamed the MACHINISTS union. By the way, did you know the Pilots union actually met secretly with Borman, offering to help break the machinists? A former member of the pilot strike committee told me that.

 

[brokeflyer]

like I said, it's amazing his brain can comprehend how to open the door on that gulfstream.

 

[rajflyboy]

What's that?

Scab List

 

[G4dude]

like I said, it's amazing his brain can comprehend how to open the door on that gulfstream.

I am proud to say you are on the opposite side of how I believe. This affirms my views.

 

[G4dude]

Scab List

Nope. I do know one guy who was an Eastern line crosser.

 

[BentOver]

Perhaps you should actually READ my posts. I mainly blamed the MACHINISTS union. By the way, did you know the Pilots union actually met secretly with Borman, offering to help break the machinists? A former member of the pilot strike committee told me that.

Well, seeing how my step-father is a long time (30+years) member of the Elevator mechanics Union..... I still think you are clueless.

 

[Semore Butts]

G4: I mainly blamed the MACHINISTS union.

First G4, let me apologise for my post on the other thread where I said you were blaming the union.

It was probably one of the few posts you didn't, or sided blindly with management

But, here you are again, blaming a union.

My only consolence if all the GLC guys feel like you do is; that well over 100 of them will be on the streets before they get to me.

On the other hand, maybe if we all pulled together it would get better and we could move in a positive direction?

Whatuya think?

Also, don't you think it is a little reckless to sympathize with the union buster (You said that in the other thread), without having read "Confessions of a Union Buster"?

 

[FLYLOW22]

I'm actually happy that we are picketting after 7 years in retirement.

It's about time.

I wonder how much bad press the EMT will need to weather before changing its behavior?

I remember sales events at several sales events that resulted in NO sales for the day due largely to the coordinated effort of a simple band of unified pilots exercising the right of free speech near the FBO entrance.

Peaceful. Professional. Unified.

This company had better take it's head out of it's ass and work WITH it's pilots before this bear wakes up and gets really pissed.

Or not... Whatever.

Wonder how award Hansell's spanking with Buffett will be this week.

 

[G4dude]

First G4, let me apologise for my post on the other thread where I said you were blaming the union.

It was probably one of the few posts you didn't, or sided blindly with management

But, here you are again, blaming a union.

My only consolence if all the GLC guys feel like you do is; that well over 100 of them will be on the streets before they get to me.

On the other hand, maybe if we all pulled together it would get better and we could move in a positive direction?

Whatuya think?

Also, don't you think it is a little reckless to sympathize with the union buster (You said that in the other thread), without having read "Confessions of a Union Buster"?

Fair enough. I do plan to read it. I said, however, that I sympathize with the union buster, but only using LEGAL methods. Regarding blaming a union, I was repeating what my Eastern Airlines union pilot friends told me about the machinists. These guys, especially the one on the strike committee, were intimately and emotionally involved in the collapse of the once great airline. They KNEW what was going on and where the bodies were buried, and they said the behavior of the machinists union was unconscionable. I am not saying that, THEY did. Cheers! I think NJASAP is pretty much as good as a union can get, actually.

 

[G4dude]

First G4, let me apologise for my post on the other thread where I said you were blaming the union.

It was probably one of the few posts you didn't, or sided blindly with management

But, here you are again, blaming a union.

My only consolence if all the GLC guys feel like you do is; that well over 100 of them will be on the streets before they get to me.

On the other hand, maybe if we all pulled together it would get better and we could move in a positive direction?

Whatuya think?

Also, don't you think it is a little reckless to sympathize with the union buster (You said that in the other thread), without having read "Confessions of a Union Buster"?

My problem is that I don't agree with what the union is doing, so I don't want us to all pull together. I want the same things y'all want, I just disagree how and when to get it. In this economy, with the imminent collapse of the Euro, we ought to give in on scope, let them know we intend to discuss all the issues near and dear to your hearts at the next negotiations, and hope the company stays in business. When Greece and Italy and Spain and Portugal default on their bonds, and the Euro collapses, our banks will contract, our bond yields will go up, sending the debt even higher,we will begin printing money, inflation will commence, and we all will be lucky to have jobs at all. A worldwide recession, maybe depression, is no laughing matter.

 

[G4dude]

Well, seeing how my step-father is a long time (30+years) member of the Elevator mechanics Union..... I still think you are clueless.

Good for him, but how is he relevant?

 

[B19 Flyer]

You do understand your are maybe one of the .01% of pilots who may actually think Lorenzo wasn't a problem...... It would be one thing if your opinion just differed, but you're on a whole new level of out there. I hate to say it but ya gotta grow a back bone man....... I'm not against differing opinions but really???

Lorenzo is considered, among other things, the worst thing ever to happen to an airline pilot in the 80's and early 90's. He was doing his thing before I was even in high school. And even I know he was a complete jacka.ss.....

Really? How many jobs did he save?

From Wikipedia:

"In December 1986, Texas Air also finalized a deal to acquire Peoplexpress Airlines, a low-cost airline that had been formed by eight executives who had left Texas Air in 1980. The deal included the assets of the bankrupt Frontier Airlines, which Peoplexpress had purchased in 1985. In February 1987, PeoplExpress and New York Air were merged into Continental.[80] The combination of the airline companies controlled by Lorenzo through Texas Air accounted for 20% of the airline industry in the United States, and some estimates described it as the largest airline in the Western world, and second only to Aeroflot worldwide."

How many pilots were saved because he broke the union at Continental and kept he airline afloat?


Had Lorenzo not stepped into the picture, all those airlines would have gone poof and all those pilots would have been completely without jobs. By the time he got into Eastern it was indeed a lost cause and he was their last chance.


Like him or not, he saved jobs. The unions at Eastern cost jobs. It wasn't all Frank. The only reason he didn't start up again was from pressure from the democratic anti-union nimrods in the 90's that were pro-union.

Everybody completely forgets about what he did at Continental that save jobs. I'll be those pilots didn't. He gave them something the unions at Eastern didn't. A paycheck.


You can say what you want about him, he had the nuts to call it like he did and save airline after airline from completely vanishing.

Educate yourself in the history of aviation before you go talking about things you are clueless about.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Perhaps you should actually READ my posts. I mainly blamed the MACHINISTS union. By the way, did you know the Pilots union actually met secretly with Borman, offering to help break the machinists? A former member of the pilot strike committee told me that.

Yeah and the president of the pilot union said the strike was over-go back to work and they kept striking. Then, they re-elected him. Eastern Strike was such a mess.

Hope it doesn't snow in Columbus. Should be a lot of Christmas shoppers around Easton that day. Planning to film as much of it as I can with my cell when the feet give out.

 

[fischman]

My problem is that I don't agree with what the union is doing, so I don't want us to all pull together. I want the same things y'all want, I just disagree how and when to get it. In this economy, with the imminent collapse of the Euro, we ought to give in on scope, let them know we intend to discuss all the issues near and dear to your hearts at the next negotiations, and hope the company stays in business. When Greece and Italy and Spain and Portugal default on their bonds, and the Euro collapses, our banks will contract, our bond yields will go up, sending the debt even higher,we will begin printing money, inflation will commence, and we all will be lucky to have jobs at all. A worldwide recession, maybe depression, is no laughing matter.

Remember what I said about passion? I hope so.

CONCESSIONS DO NOT SAVE JOBS!!!!

They never have and they never will. I have posted this before, history has proven me right repeatedly. When you give in to concessions, the only thing that happens is that the CEO can go to the board and say, "Hey! Look at all this money I saved! Yayyyyy me!!!" Then the board says, "You are the best. Here is a $500 million bonus." Then the CEO goes to the bean counter licking his chops about his new $500 million and says, "Hey where can we save more money?" The bean counter says, " We can lay off about 300-500 pilots." So the CEO does, then he goes to the board and says, "Hey! I found more money! Yayyy me!!!" Then the board says, "Cool! Good job. You rock. Here's more money." Insert evil laugh here...

So. The moral of the story is that the company will still be in business (Honestly, when was the last time you heard of a Berkshire Hathaway company closing it's doors? :erm, The pilots will be out of work, the CEO will have millions, and the company will be no better off financially. YOUR CONCESSION WILL GO RIGHT TO THE WALLET OF THE CEO. IT WILL NOT HELP THE COMPANY.

You are playing right into their hands, please don't take this personally, and are AFRAID. You claimed this is your first union, and I'm glad that you agree that as far as unions go NJASAP isn't a bad one. We are NOT the enemy. We are the ones looking out for YOUR career. Seriously, go read Confessions of a Union Buster by Martin Levitt. Learn about the scare tactics, dirty backhanded tricks, and outright LIES that he was so proud of. The man literally ruined not only careers, but lives and families. This is the type of people we are dealing with here, why we need a union, why we need to stand up to these bullies, and why we need to defend our CBA and jobs.

Time to wake up!!!