NetJets To Picket

[G4dude]

The 10 hour rule does save the company money, but "a lot"? I don't think so. We are are talking about a drop of water in the ocean comparatively here.

I think the perilous economy excuse has run its course. The DJIA is over 12,000, NASDAQ is over 2600, unemployment is 8.6% and our competitors are hiring. I think it is time you realize that the reason you are riding coach is because our CEO can't sell jets and is lining his pockets at your expense. All it costs is your QOL. The ONLY way to increase your job security is to get our illustrious CEO to sell some jets and make our current owners happy instead of upset. Staffing is DIRECTLY tied to the amount of owners we have, not which class of ticket we have on the airlines. Not only are we not increasing the amount of owners we have, OUR EMT IS DRIVING THE ONES WE HAVE AWAY!!!

The company can be competitive if your CEO would allow it to be. The economy excuse is just that. So the questions I have for you is, where do you draw the line? At what point do you say enough is enough?

Our picket is our way of telling management that we are drawing the line here. We aren't willing to let the CEO get richer at our expense. There is no section of the CBA that is less valuable than another and we are willing to defend it. It is time for our GLC brothers to understand that and get on board with the rest of us.

The reason we are not selling planes is because of the flat economy, not because the company is inept. Where do I draw the line? Good question. When this job becomes less desirable than another available position, that is where I draw the line by voting with my feet as I leave for the new job. I don't feel the need to collectively force the company to do things for me. If I am happy, relative to the rest of the marketplace, I will stay at NJA. If not, I will go elsewhere. No acrimony against the company required, because all associations are voluntary. And if you want different things, you have the right to pursue them in the open market, just like me.

 

[G4dude]

The 10 hour rule does save the company money, but "a lot"? I don't think so. We are are talking about a drop of water in the ocean comparatively here.

I think the perilous economy excuse has run its course. The DJIA is over 12,000, NASDAQ is over 2600, unemployment is 8.6% and our competitors are hiring. I think it is time you realize that the reason you are riding coach is because our CEO can't sell jets and is lining his pockets at your expense. All it costs is your QOL. The ONLY way to increase your job security is to get our illustrious CEO to sell some jets and make our current owners happy instead of upset. Staffing is DIRECTLY tied to the amount of owners we have, not which class of ticket we have on the airlines. Not only are we not increasing the amount of owners we have, OUR EMT IS DRIVING THE ONES WE HAVE AWAY!!!

The company can be competitive if your CEO would allow it to be. The economy excuse is just that. So the questions I have for you is, where do you draw the line? At what point do you say enough is enough?

Our picket is our way of telling management that we are drawing the line here. We aren't willing to let the CEO get richer at our expense. There is no section of the CBA that is less valuable than another and we are willing to defend it. It is time for our GLC brothers to understand that and get on board with the rest of us.

I hope the CEO makes a lot of money, because that means the stockholders feel he is doing a good job. I just care about what I make. I want you to just care about what YOU make. I want Brokeflyer to just care about what he/she makes.The stockholders will worry about what they pay the CEO.

 

[OPECJet]

The reason we are not selling planes is because of the flat economy, not because the company is inept.

If that were true our competitors would not be selling aircraft either. They are selling, however.

Try again.....

 

[fischman]

The reason we are not selling planes is because of the flat economy, not because the company is inept. Where do I draw the line? Good question. When this job becomes less desirable than another available position, that is where I draw the line by voting with my feet as I leave for the new job. I don't feel the need to collectively force the company to do things for me. If I am happy, relative to the rest of the marketplace, I will stay at NJA. If not, I will go elsewhere. No acrimony against the company required, because all associations are voluntary. And if you want different things, you have the right to pursue them in the open market, just like me.

Like I said earlier, the "flat economy" is not longer a valid excuse. We are not selling shares because the EMT is DRIVING THE OWNERS AWAY. Our company doesn't advertise because most of our business was written by word of mouth. What do you think happens when the owners recommendations to their friends is negative? That is precisely what is happening my friend.

The great thing about you working in a union shop is now if the company decides to make the job "less desirable" than another job, they can't arbitrarily do it. They have to comply with the CBA, and you won't HAVE to go looking. See where I'm going here?

 

[G4dude]

If that were true our competitors would not be selling aircraft either. They are selling, however.

Try again.....

Their growth is pretty much as flat as ours. If they are doing a little better, it is because their product is cheaper because their labor costs are less, especially Flight Options. Every time we increase NJA's cost of operations, it especially benefits Options.

 

[G4dude]

Like I said earlier, the "flat economy" is not longer a valid excuse. We are not selling shares because the EMT is DRIVING THE OWNERS AWAY. Our company doesn't advertise because most of our business was written by word of mouth. What do you think happens when the owners recommendations to their friends is negative? That is precisely what is happening my friend.

The great thing about you working in a union shop is now if the company decides to make the job "less desirable" than another job, they can't arbitrarily do it. They have to comply with the CBA, and you won't HAVE to go looking. See where I'm going here?

I want the company to have the right to "arbitrarily" make my job less desirable. I don't want to have a less desirable job, but I want them to do what is best for them, and I will do what is best for me. If they employ me, and I accept that employment, it is a voluntary free agreement between two parties.

 

[fischman]

Their growth is pretty much as flat as ours. If they are doing a little better, it is because their product is cheaper because their labor costs are less, especially Flight Options. Every time we increase NJA's cost of operations, it especially benefits Options.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvlx4V8dqvU

I wonder how many of those are former owners of ours?

 

[fischman]

I want the company to have the right to "arbitrarily" make my job less desirable. I don't want to have a less desirable job, but I want them to do what is best for them, and I will do what is best for me. If they employ me, and I accept that employment, it is a voluntary free agreement between two parties.

Honest question:

How can you not see that QOL adjustments that the company arbitrarily makes only line the CEO's pockets? They don't "save" the company, or make it more competitive. The ONLY thing that does that are MORE OWNERS that the EMT is DRIVING away. Doesn't that bother you?

 

[imacdog]

Not only do I NOT admit it, I maintain my job was BETTER when I worked for the non union NJI. And our future prospects were better, because we worked with management instead against them, which made NJI more competitive and more pleasant to work for.

The union worked with management as well, until management decided to take their ball and go home. Sorry mr. management stooge but the pilot group is too smart for your lies.

 

[BentOver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvlx4V8dqvU

I wonder how many of those are former owners of ours?

Remember when Richard Santulli, Netjets President, used to be the one doing these interviews!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now it's Presidents/CEO's of the competition....

 

[NachoMamma]

Not only do I NOT admit it, I maintain my job was BETTER when I worked for the non union NJI. And our future prospects were better, because we worked with management instead against them, which made NJI more competitive and more pleasant to work for.

So let's see...soon after the integration, NJ decides to eliminate Gulfstream as it's long range aircraft vendor and to replace it with Bombardier. Eventually, ALL Gulfstreams (including the V) will be placed in disposal status.

Had NJI NOT been integrated...(wait for it)...you'd be officially UNEMPLOYED (but still smug, clueless, and totally self-absorbed I'm sure).

This learning moment has been brought to you by the people who busted their a$$es so that you could have the protections you don't understand or appreciate but foolishly take for granted.

 

[wacoflyr]

I hope the CEO makes a lot of money, because that means the stockholders feel he is doing a good job. I just care about what I make. I want you to just care about what YOU make. I want Brokeflyer to just care about what he/she makes.The stockholders will worry about what they pay the CEO.

Okay, I know, I don't belong here. But I just gotta ask. Aren't you guys paid according to scale, which means you have set pay raises for every year that you work? We do, so I figured that was true over there, as well. And isn't that scale set by date of hire, just like ours is? And therefore, isn't it impossible to negotiate individual compensation? Hasn't that always been true, even before you got a union and a contract?


Of course if I'm wrong and you can negotiate individually, then I understand where G4 is coming from. Otherwise.... Even B19 agreed that we don't have the power to negotiate individually. So that leaves pilots with... What, exactly? G4?

Sorry if I'm out of line. Not my company, after all.

 

[G4dude]

Okay, I know, I don't belong here. But I just gotta ask. Aren't you guys paid according to scale, which means you have set pay raises for every year that you work? We do, so I figured that was true over there, as well. And isn't that scale set by date of hire, just like ours is? And therefore, isn't it impossible to negotiate individual compensation? Hasn't that always been true, even before you got a union and a contract?


Of course if I'm wrong and you can negotiate individually, then I understand where G4 is coming from. Otherwise.... Even B19 agreed that we don't have the power to negotiate individually. So that leaves pilots with... What, exactly? G4?

Sorry if I'm out of line. Not my company, after all.[/QUOTE

NJI had some discretion with pay. My main point is that I want the company to be free to behave in it's self interest. I also want to be free to behave in MY self interest. If those two things intersect, I have a job. I don't want or need somebody else representing me in my dealings with the company. This is not some radical idea, by the way. A huge percentage of US workers are non union.

 

[G4dude]

The union worked with management as well, until management decided to take their ball and go home. Sorry mr. management stooge but the pilot group is too smart for your lies.

Sorry, I just don't share your opinion of management's motives and actions. Doesn't mean I am evil. Or a liar.

 

[G4dude]

So let's see...soon after the integration, NJ decides to eliminate Gulfstream as it's long range aircraft vendor and to replace it with Bombardier. Eventually, ALL Gulfstreams (including the V) will be placed in disposal status.

Had NJI NOT been integrated...(wait for it)...you'd be officially UNEMPLOYED (but still smug, clueless, and totally self-absorbed I'm sure).

This learning moment has been brought to you by the people who busted their a$$es so that you could have the protections you don't understand or appreciate but foolishly take for granted.

Then I would go and get a cushy job somewhere else, with my credentials. I still don't need a group of (sorry fischman) thugs representing me. By the way, the reason I would lose my job in your scenario is because of - wait for it- the UNION. Oh the irony!