NetJets Strike Vote Fails

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3. Pilots are in good hands. If you mean your leadership, (Nicknamed the FAB 5 minus - That stands for minus brains I think, I have to ask the team who originated that phrase.) then you are in for a very rough and long ride. What did they do for Jason? What have they done for the pilots who were just fired? Nothing, because those individuals were wrong, and they can't fix it. So keep up your spirits and believe that they will do the right thing.

SO THE COWARDLY TROLL wants to start using proper names. I doubt it will be long before you are exposed and your tenure will come to an end. There are serious ethical problems breached here when you use a pilots real name to push your pathetic campaign. The pilot you have named will soon be reinstated and you have broken board rules and I intend to report this to the moderators. Bye Bye

 

[CMHTroll]

Using proper names

SO THE COWARDLY TROLL wants to start using proper names. I doubt it will be long before you are exposed and your tenure will come to an end. There are serious ethical problems breached here when you use a pilots real name to push your pathetic campaign. The pilot you have named will soon be reinstated and you have broken board rules and I intend to report this to the moderators. Bye Bye

That name has been posted on this board several times by one of your favorite people, NetJetswife. You didn't complain when she used it in her raising the tide campaign. I think the only reason that you get upset is that you see the truth in what I am saying and just don't like it. So you call it pathetic. You are entitle to have an opinion. Just as I have an opinion backed by facts.

Oh and be sure to thank Griz for the inspiration for the name. When he didn't agree with something he called someone a troll. A good name for someone who presents an unpopular opinion to a group of union boys.

 

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That name has been posted on this board several times by one of your favorite people, NetJetswife. You didn't complain when she used it in her raising the tide campaign. I think the only reason that you get upset is that you see the truth in what I am saying and just don't like it. So you call it pathetic. You are entitle to have an opinion. Just as I have an opinion backed by facts.

Oh and be sure to thank Griz for the inspiration for the name. When he didn't agree with something he called someone a troll. A good name for someone who presents an unpopular opinion to a group of union boys.

Troll, You do live down to the your name. When the wheels come off it will be the fault of overpaid and excessive middle/upper management in their turf wars at Brideway and Easton.

Management failures continue to compound and I know you see it if you work upstairs.
Think morale sucks on the road? I hear it's worse inside.

 

[sikntired]

Troll is frantically pushing our buttons, and for **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**z & giggles, I'm responding tonight.

Troll, your constant references to the company "bargaining in good faith" is UNREAL! Truly, you have GOT to be kidding?!

You are either being "played" by your many managers, OR, you ARE a manager.

The current MEC and their dozens of volunteers have the total support and trust of more than 82% of the pilot force. Continue with your smarmy attacks against them and I'll have to start thinking that you are possibly one of the previous LOSER FAB 5 MEC guys, posting as if you're a casino employee. Geez, this is really a twisted mystery! What they did to the pilots by abusing their trust was appalling.....it won't happen again.

Believe what you want, but I think you'll be embarassed when this is all over and you discover that your beloved NetJets has been less than ethical in their bargaining. It's a shell game and I believe it will be exposed.

We shall see!

sikntired

 

[sikntired]

FYI my censored word was very lame....sort of sounded like "ships".

The censoring makes it look like I said something REALLY bad...it wasn't too bad.

Sincerely,

sikntired

 

[TheRealDeal]

Why is OS still booking 7 people on an X from CRQ to TEB...non-stop, when the temp is 90 degrees?

Why are they booking 5 people on an XL from LAX to CLT... NON-STOP?

Why are they booking 8 people on an XL when it only has 7 seats?

Those are good questions. Did they really happen or were they just fatigued? Now how often does that happen as opposed to pilots falling asleep in the cockpit? Not often I would guess. Now I hear that recording is the rage. ]



You really are amazing! I didn't know anyone could work so hard to live up to a screen name.
If you believe for a minute that either of those pilots were actually asleep you a complete, company owned MORON!!

You must have been one of those idiots running around on the morning of September 11th wondering "how on Earth could any American Pilot do that."
Those of us who truly know who is in those cockpits and what you go through and sacrifice for those crazy jobs never, never thought for one second that any or ours did that. We knew in our gut that those Pilots were dead or disabled before those aircraft hit.

There is nothing to point to any Pilot falling asleep except the word of one disgruntled Owner.
The delay in reporting the so called incident is suspicious in itself.
The Company's decision to terminate those crew members was asinine. It was simply an excuse to thin the ranks.
For all the crap and abuse that has come down on the Pilots since BB joining the ranks not one Pilot has done anything to compromise safety.
If you believe otherwise it just proves you don't know who the heck is flying those planes.

Voice recorders aren't going to cut it. We are going to have to start hauling video recorders along just to document our state of consiousness.

 

[Hogprint]

Just as I have an opinion backed by facts.

Lets hear some of them facts you keep babbling about. Tell us again how the company is bargaining in good faith? Tell us now, why is the FAs contract now approaching two years old?

Two employee groups, on the front lines of customer service mind you, and both of their contracts are LONG overdue???

Looks to me like this ship has a leak.

 

[AeroBoy]

My guess is that CMHTroll is either Gary Hart, Tony Marlow or Bill Boisture. And seeing that Boisture likes to play head games with people, I'm leaning toward him on being the troll.

As an independent third-party observer, I don't see where the company is truly bargaining in "good faith." I see only egos in Easton and Bridgeway getting in the way of real negotiations. And if Warren wants to know where to invest his $40 billion in cash he has laying around at Berkshire, a good place to start might be the pilots at NetJets. That investment could pay large dividends in company growth...

 

[dsptchrnja]

Lets hear some of them facts you keep babbling about. Tell us again how the company is bargaining in good faith? Tell us now, why is the FAs contract now approaching two years old?

You can play the blame game all year long... if you believe the company has bargained in bad faith it makes no difference to the NMB - they are the ones that have to be convinced.

IMO, I'd say offering a significant raise that takes you from the bottom of the fractionals to the highest paid, with benefits included, is bargaining in good faith. Especially, when many other aviation companies are taking pay cuts.

 

[Diesel]

Anybody have a good chuckle that the people that "know the most" aren't even guys on the line? They are people that work upstairs or have no dog in this fight and just like to watch from the sidelines.

I find it amusing that people with no input on what myself or local 1108 do are the loudest voices.

It's all a bunch of white noise.

 

[Majik]

Anybody have a good chuckle that the people that "know the most" aren't even guys on the line? They are people that work upstairs or have no dog in this fight and just like to watch from the sidelines.

I find it amusing that people with no input on what myself or local 1108 do are the loudest voices.

It's all a bunch of white noise.

Exactly! And when this is all over, they will disappear as quickly as they mysteriously appeared. White noise, with the side benefit that their pilot/union bashing convinces many "fence sitters" to join the pilot's cause. They fail to see that the pilot elected leadership is acting at the direction of 89% of the pilots. Therefore, when they try to discredit out leadership, they are in fact discrediting us, and are driving the middle-of-the-roaders away from management's position.
So, although the white noise if slightly annoying, it is having some benefit to our cause.

 

[Hogprint]

You can play the blame game all year long... if you believe the company has bargained in bad faith it makes no difference to the NMB - they are the ones that have to be convinced.

Not playing a blame game dsptchr, just stating facts.

The NMB put us into abeyance. Do you know why?

 

[Diesel]

Slightly annoying, full of useless information, ranting on about something they know nothing about, wishing they had our office view.

That's CMHTroll and his friends.

 

[Diesel]

He doesn't care why, nor the facts of anything. He just gets on here to post the company spin.

 

[Diesel]

I see CMHTroll decided to shut his trap about J. He knows he crossed the line real quick and got his a$$ beat real quick.

Keep on trolling loser.

 

[CMHTroll]

I see CMHTroll decided to shut his trap about J. He knows he crossed the line real quick and got his a$$ beat real quick.

Keep on trolling loser.

Diesel you are so amusing. Time will tell about the facts. I know my facts and ahve verified them. The people you are getting your facts from are constantly changing their story. Your MEC. And since you are always asking what day it is, we can send you a calendar if you like but today is the 23rd. The day many will sign up for a future of dissapointment.

 

[FAcFriend]

Not playing a blame game dsptchr, just stating facts.

The NMB put us into abeyance. Do you know why?

Hoggy, of course, the NMB didnt not release the "whys" of abeyance. (to the best of my knowledge)

However in the past, I have heard explained the general prinicples of their decisions as follows,

1- If the NMB thinks the company is being oppressive, bargaining in bad faith, surface bargaining, not being fair etc. They will immediately release the union for self help. They will not allow the company to punish the union without allowing the union to strike or seek other measures.

2- IF the NMB thinks the union is not bargaining in good faith, is not being fair, etc. the NMB will not make the company suffer through a strike. They will put a union in abayance for as long as it takes for them to be reasonable. (I heard one company, UPS or someone has been in deep freeze for 5 years, though I have not verified this).

I would imagine if the NMB put negotiations in abeyance, and the company changes their mind and would like the union to be released for self help (which also releases the company from the union) then they could request an end to abeyance and hire new pilots.

Hoggy why do you think you are in abeyance?

 

[Hogprint]

FacFriend,

I agree that is the textbook answer for an abeyance. I have heard two stories about why we were given an abeyance. Neither of them fit the textbook definition.

Sadly I can't divulge them on this board, but in due time hopefully we can discuss the finer points of this.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Diesel you are so amusing. Time will tell about the facts. I know my facts and ahve verified them. The people you are getting your facts from are constantly changing their story. Your MEC. And since you are always asking what day it is, we can send you a calendar if you like but today is the 23rd. The day many will sign up for a future of dissapointment.

The only future of dissapointment would be one brought on by rolling over and playing dead for the Company!

 

[Diesel]

CMHtroll- I know the facts probably better than anyone else out there. You can still run your mouth all you want but eventually it takes a man to back it up. The union pilots know where J's case is and that's all that matters. I don't give a sh!td!ck (o&a reference) about what you think or where you think we might be heading.

Nobody cares about you. Accept the fact.

Keep running your mouth and accept the pain.