NetJets Strike Passes By 93%

[Majik]

Another positive step for a group of pilots that have been waiting for a long, long time. Fly The Pledge, my brothers!

 

[WrknStff]

OK, I'll ask the obvious question. What happens now?

 

[Majik]

We TURN UP THE HEAT, in any legal way we can.

 

[Yank McCobb]

Eventually, NJA will not have a need for pilots. THEN what?

(And don't give me the BS about the "scabs" at the 135 companies where your trips will be sold to.)

 

[Majik]

Eventually, NJA will not have a need for pilots. THEN what?

(And don't give me the BS about the "scabs" at the 135 companies where your trips will be sold to.)

What, the planes will be flown by computers, the company will fold, what are you talking about? I think as long as NJA has aircraft, they will want pilots to fly them, unless they decide to mount them on display stands outside FBOs and on the lawns of rich folks. Why do you think NJA will not need pilots?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Why do you think NJA will not need pilots?

Because he is a scary Ghoully Man.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Just went through Company Recurrent.....senior VP's admitted the problem is in CMH....not the line pilots. The pilots' approval is still the highest in all the company. 52% turn over in Customer Service....Thanks Goodness we don't run our cockpits thew way they run the Casino and Easton.


And....NO this wasn't a miss quote.

 

[JetProp]

Git'r done

 

[LR45JI]

DO-82,

They have been saying that for years; "It's all here in Columbus....you guys are great....."

The problem is that they STILL haven't fixed anything.

 

[DO-82 driver]

I agree LR....everytime you ask them the answer is ....."Ah, but we're working on that....we have a plan" I jokingly asked if management is familiar with Unusual Attitude Recovery......because right now the nose is UP, the power is at IDLE and the speed is bleeding off rapidly.

 

[Hogprint]

I'll third that. The last two Comp recurrents, the management line has been, "we know we have problems here (CMH) and we're trying to fix it".

It is just a tactic to unarm and deflect. At least now they're getting blank stares.




82/89/93

 

[G4dude]

So strike already. Then we can get on with the business of accepting the pilots who cross the line, as well as the flood of new hires, thus clearing out the deadwood union whiners. Please, do us all a favor and strike. Godalmighty!

 

[ultrarunner]

So strike already.

Exactly.

On a serious question, WHEN do you (Netjets pilots) expect ask to be released from mediation and begin your 30 day cooling-off period?

 

[flyjetspeed]

Can we speculate intellegently without resorting to verbal violence and play that scenario out? Honestly looking for thoughtfull debate here not flames.


After a lengthy recess the NMB releases the IBT 1108 and the Company to "self help" The Union calls for a vote to ACTUALLY strike.
The vote passes by 80% plus or minus 10% (serious business walking off your job, so the numbers could be a surprise to either/both sides)
The Pilots begin the strike 30 days after release.
The company responds with a lockout. EJM and NJI go to 125% mode, ALL management pilots start flying every day. Massive Sell Offs, Massive Hiring of "replacement pilots" Perhaps 0%, perhaps 30% cross the line,(please don't try to resurrect that dead horse, scab list) the pressure is building every week.
After an unknown length of time(perhaps months and months) a compromise agreement is reached........OR NOT.....

 

[x402]

Then we can get on with the business of accepting the pilots who cross

What's this WE sh*t. I thought you worked for a different company or is it whatever suits the moment?

 

[MTpilot]

That's great!

Just run your own company right out of business!

 

[flyjetspeed]

Hmmm, must be the wrong thread for that post. Oh well.

 

[capnflyright]

Just an honest question here. Can NJA start another company which doesn't have union representation and transfer the aircraft and owners over to the new company?

 

[x402]

They already have, NJI. CAn they kill Nja, I don't thnk so.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Just an honest question here. Can NJA start another company which doesn't have union representation and transfer the aircraft and owners over to the new company?

Not without violating Scope clause ...

Who are they going to get to fly the planes? Thats a lot of type ratings to produce.

Probably easier to get released and fire all the pilots. Then hire scabs and whatever number of line crossers they hope for.

 

[Some guy]

Just an honest question here. Can NJA start another company which doesn't have union representation and transfer the aircraft and owners over to the new company?

Yes. Essentially the company could be shut down for 1 day, then come back with a different name. Then they would go to the pilots they want back, pay them a decent wage, try to fix the issues, and continue to grow.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Lets do it in December. I need to get Christmas off this year.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Yes. Essentially the company could be shut down for 1 day, then come back with a different name. Then they would go to the pilots they want back, pay them a decent wage, try to fix the issues, and continue to grow.

This company has barely the talent to maintain NORMAL daily operations. What makes you think that they could even print business cards with a new logo without F'ing it up?

Anything ABNORMAL throws this company into a tailspin.

 

[Schrode]

G4 - Don't understand you at all. You seem to really dislike us for some reason. The pilots here at NetJets pose no threat to you at all. You have the far superior job, one we must really want. And if we were to get a really good contract, well, you just go the boss when your contract comes up and say, "Hey, you gotta pay me more than those damn Teamster bums!" So, just root for us. I understand you dislike Unions, but sometimes they do serve a purpose. This Union is nothing more than a few pilots (in this case 2200 of them) saying we want a fair shake. We all work hard, pass the checkride every six months and get that Physical too.

 

[FamilyGuy]

This company has barely the talent to maintain NORMAL daily operations. What makes you think that they could even print business cards with a new logo without F'ing it up?

Anything ABNORMAL throws this company into a tailspin.

If true, What does that say about you and your decision to work here?

Lets talk about the union being able to conduct 'simple' things such as taking a strike vote without screwing it up to the point that 400 of your own union brothers didnt get a ballot?!?!

It's been four days now and no one has been able to answer the simple question I raised about the union's excuse that it was the old local's bad contact list. I'll repeat it again...

I see the union spinmeisters are out in force to try and explain why 400 of their own didnt participate in the recent strike vote.

you guys are trying hard but there is still something that doesnt ring true in the latest 'explanation'....

if its the old contact list from local 284 that's to blame for the 'no votes' then why was everyone able to vote in the election for a new MEC?

Everyone was able to cast a vote in the election of a new MEC, yet something happened to the list in the intervening 9 months?

The silence is deafening.

 

[Starman]

Family Guy -

The problem boils down to the fact that most of us don't give a rat's rear-end what you think. Thus we ignore most of your ignorant posts on this board. The only reason I responded to this one was that it was a good opportunity to taunt you.

 

[CMHTroll]

You guys crack me up!

If true, What does that say about you and your decision to work here?

Lets talk about the union being able to conduct 'simple' things such as taking a strike vote without screwing it up to the point that 400 of your own union brothers didnt get a ballot?!?!

It's been four days now and no one has been able to answer the simple question I raised about the union's excuse that it was the old local's bad contact list. I'll repeat it again...

The silence is deafening.

Yes, it is the little problems that the Union can't fix. They are more of a negative entity than one that wants to work toward a solution any issue. What did happen to the other 400 members?



Have you got the concept that you are going to get a good increase, but not a corp. NBAA wage? If that is what you want you should go get a Corp. job, or be on call 24/7 and the additional duties that go with it.



How is it going with AK47 man and the sleeping pilots? And when it comes to distortions of the truth, Steward Steve has to be the most amazing fictional writer in the world.



The Owners speak with one voice and say that the pilots are perfect, wonderful and the most incredible aviators even though they sleep while flying, bring violence to work, and blame the company for all the evils of the world? It would be interesting to see what Owners you were speaking to, if at all. But then that is what the Union does best. Lie and blame everything on the company and the brothers, sisters and union angels can do no wrong.



By the way, how is it going with AK47Man? Have you started passing around flyers of your hero to Owners? Does he have his AK in the picture? Remember he is a brother and can do no wrong!



You guys crack me up!

 

[Hogprint]

The troll said:

The Owners speak with one voice and say that the pilots are perfect, wonderful and the most incredible aviators even though they sleep while flying, bring violence to work,

The only violence I remeber in the last five years was a screen reader who put his fist through the wall and had little melt downs every time I talked to him on the phone.

 

[x402]

I wonder what breach of professional ethics troll is commiting by bringing his inside company information to this forum. It might be time for a call to the Berkshire Hotline, he is either being fed this information or is related to some very well positioned managers. Either way, it's an ethical breach. I'm sure Flightinfo won't hide your identity when faced with BKA's laywers.

Yes I think it's time to make that call.

 

[CMHTroll]

Interesting but irrel

Interesting but irrelevant:



I think that a pilot in uniform shooting a semi-automatic weapon with the intent of threatening the company, making a video of it and sharing it with the Union is violence in the workplace. As did the authorities! I am not aware of the incident of which you speak. How many years ago was that?