NetJets Strike Passes By 93%

[FLYLOW22]

WRONG. You should go back and check the timeline....its all there in black and white. You introduced Manufacturing as a topic on page 11 post #162. At least get the facts straight.

(sigh) I mentioned manufacturing an a broad context. Not a specific example. There is a difference. If you don't get it then I am sorry that I don't have the time to teach you the english language today.

WRONG AGAIN. Actually teachers are the highest unionized group of workers in the country. Aviation does have a high percentage of workers who are unionized though. The entire transportation industry is around 25%. You can get more data on the Bureau of Labor Statistics site here:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

Entire Transportation industry.... bus drivers, Taxi drivers, railroad employees, etc. The transport industry is pretty large.

Aviation Employees do not make up the entire transport industry. Please stop skewing the facts. It makes you look retarded online.

As for the commentary on saying zero words to Boisture, that's simply your loss. Not too many people get an opportunity to talk to Mr. Boisture, and I dont think I would squander the opportunity. What is the purpose in saying nothing? To express displeasure? I think everyone knows you're not happy.

Boisture is a windbag who acts like a cheap Stephan Wolf knock off that is hardly as versed in dealing with SERVICE, even less skilled at dealing with Unions and has no concept of Self Discipline.

NetJets has a President who throws a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way... and it's funny.

Could you help him find his golden parachute. The pilots will show him the door. We'll call it even.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by FamilyGuy

WRONG AGAIN. Actually teachers are the highest unionized group of workers in the country. Aviation does have a high percentage of workers who are unionized though. The entire transportation industry is around 25%. You can get more data on the Bureau of Labor Statistics site here:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm



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Teachers yes but teachers are not part of the private sector.



For the most part Public sector can not compare directly to private sector in that public sector is not as subject to globalization and immigration effects on employment and so forth.

 

[Hawkered]

Guys..let it go. This is not about union busting or getting the boss fired!

Show me the money!!

"Git 'R Done!"

 

[brewerdog]

funny thing I heard, a new truck driver can get $65,000/yr but how long does it take a pilot to make that . . .

 

[CMHTroll]

Wow

funny thing I heard, a new truck driver can get $65,000/yr but how long does it take a pilot to make that . . .

I believe that includes thier Own Rig, pay their Own Fuel etc. And after expenses the make about $30,000. Check your Freightliner dealer and he can give you more information. Or ask Diesel, he loves trucks!

 

[FAcFriend]

funny thing I heard, a new truck driver can get $65,000/yr but how long does it take a pilot to make that . . .

another option is to go be a truck driver. Are you implying that you think you should be paid as a truck driver is paid? I detect a note of sarcasm in your post that sounds quite snobbish- you sir, know nothing about truck drivers.

 

[Semore Butts]

Why would I waste my time talking to B.B.???

Family, have you seen the DVD that BB sent out to the pilots? I wish you could if you haven't.

BB tries to talk to us like he's grandpa and he just caught his grandchild stealing a cookie.

(Bad Johhny, you don't need more money son, Grandpa knows whats best for you, your kids are better working at a factory or fast food place anyway, they don't deserve to go to college. Vacations are a pain anyway, if you can't afford to go on one it will be better anyway)

Not much of a way to talk to a group that flies multi million dollar clients in multi million dollar aircraft all over the planet.

When I saw the , video I was just north of Bagdad, and had just been through a mortar attack. My point is, we been a round a time or 2. I know the difference between Chicken salad and Chicken sh&t.

BB explained in his "business 101" class the "Y" factor being the available amount of money the company could pay the pilots. He explained that the target profit was not being reached and therefore the company could not pay us more. Well, as I understand it from the business 101 that I took, salary is part of business cost, not profits.

So, I'm not buyin it, and I don't think by brethren is either.

BB is a politician, so is magee. You look at them and say bullsh*t, they ignore you and continue with their bs as if it is gospel.

That is why we say nothing (my opinion). What point would it serve. They are getting paid by what they can take from the mouthes of our families.

Well there it is as far as I'm concerned.

If it wasn't so truly degrading, it would have probably been funny.

 

[FLYLOW22]

funny thing I heard, a new truck driver can get $65,000/yr but how long does it take a pilot to make that . . .

Here? 7 years.

 

[flyfysh]

Family, have you seen the DVD that BB sent out to the pilots? I wish you could if you haven't.

BB tries to talk to us like he's grandpa and he just caught his grandchild stealing a cookie.

(Bad Johhny, you don't need more money son, Grandpa knows whats best for you, your kids are better working at a factory or fast food place anyway, they don't deserve to go to college. Vacations are a pain anyway, if you can't afford to go on one it will be better anyway)

Not much of a way to talk to a group that flies multi million dollar clients in multi million dollar aircraft all over the planet.

When I saw the , video I was just north of Bagdad, and had just been through a mortar attack. My point is, we been a round a time or 2. I know the difference between Chicken salad and Chicken sh&t.

BB explained in his "business 101" class the "Y" factor being the available amount of money the company could pay the pilots. He explained that the target profit was not being reached and therefore the company could not pay us more. Well, as I understand it from the business 101 that I took, salary is part of business cost, not profits.

So, I'm not buyin it, and I don't think by brethren is either.

BB is a politician, so is magee. You look at them and say bullsh*t, they ignore you and continue with their bs as if it is gospel.

That is why we say nothing (my opinion). What point would it serve. They are getting paid by what they can take from the mouthes of our families.

Well there it is as far as I'm concerned.

If it wasn't so truly degrading, it would have probably been funny.

Do you honestly think these guys that you name go to work looking forward to making your day harder? Give me a break, reading these posts, you seem to be able to do that all on your own. They were hired to run this company, safely and efficiently while still being good stewards of our owners money (remember...the people that allow us to receive a paycheck??)
You are unfortunately making this negotiation between the company and the union/pilots more about the who than the what. They are people with families...employees...just like you and I with a job to do. Period. We can sit here and be 1 of 4k employees and remain anonymous with our bad a$$ threats while they have no choice but to be thrown in the fire with no anonymity and figure out how to make this thing work for all involved. I for one, give them credit for that because if it were me, I would not have subjected myself to this abuse past day one.
How would you like it if they got on this board and defamed you as blatantly as you do them?Treat others as you would like to be treated. Didn't your Mother ever tell you that if you don't have anything nice to say...don't say anything at all...

 

[Some Dude]

If I was paid 1.5 million a year like Mr. Moisture then I would say flame away. He is only here for another year. How many management teams have we had? How many has Southwest had? Hmmmm.....I wonder if Old Herb would like to run this place as well as he did at Southwest. Maybe we can talk him into coming here to NJA.

 

[El Chupacabra]

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WIN OR LOSE-IT'S HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME!



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You are kidding right?

"If not Victorious, Let No Man come back alive."

--George Patton--
(Finest Marine the Army ever produced) and cousin of Lewis B Puller.




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[ozpilot]

My favourite George Patton quote:

"the objective of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other SOB die for his!"

 

[Semore Butts]

Flyfish

They were hired to run this company, safely and efficiently while still being good stewards of our owners money (remember...the people that allow us to receive a paycheck??)

Safely? Well that is pretty well up to us as pilots. We are ultimately responsible for that.

Efficiently? Yep thats their gig. No need to comment on how they are doing that.

I for one, give them credit for that because if it were me, I would not have subjected myself to this abuse past day one.

If I was being paid what they are you could put me on one of those "dunk tanks" and throw softballs at me.


How would you like it if they got on this board and defamed you as blatantly as you do them?

I defamed them? Are you lumping me in with all these other posters? I went back and read my post again. I am giving my opinion of the DVD and the recurrent speeches. Are you an employee? HAve you seen the DVD? Have you been through a recurrent?


Treat others as you would like to be treated. Didn't your Mother ever tell you that if you don't have anything nice to say...don't say anything at all...

You said it not me. You better go talk to their mothers, not mine. Its OK for them to degrade us with their speeches and DVD's, but if we respond we are degrading them and are bad people?

You need to go look in the mirror, You have something on you nose.

There, now I'm being degrading.

 

[FAcFriend]

semore-

lol. this was a funny post.

And yes, the line guys are responsible for it all- flying, safety. attending training. and I am sure all the other guys are making alot more than you are. I wonder what the average mgr makes-

Nothing says "thank you" better than cash.

i wonder what mgt would say if you guys said- keep it all the same- just tell us how much more cash you can give us- Then if you kept everything else the same and got 50% across the board from today on forward- no retro- no signing bonus- take the frills out- same schedule, same everything but 50% more cash.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Got a better one you could use for all trips if you're on the Falcon ($%#@, I should have put in that last bid) Tell them you don't have an Emergency Checklist other than the manufacturer's original in the AFM. Ain't bad for someone like me; but I read FRENCH

Actually, I've riden on the Falcon and can say that the emergency checklist is in English but very poor nevertheless. For training ,at FSI ,they use a reprint of the applicable pages in a 3 ringed binder. Most of the pilots carry the unapproved (but safer) FlightSafety one and just scratch out the label "Pilot Checklist" and write "Pilot Notes." It's just too hard to get to the Dasalt checklist w/o groping the stewardess and then you'll probably be in another emergency before you can find the appropriate page(s).

 

[Lord Wakefield]

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WIN OR LOSE-IT'S HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME!

Netjets version: It doesn't matter if you win or lose-it's how you place the blame!

 

[user912]

None of the schedulers violated any company rule. No scheduler was penalized and all returned to their job.

It was concluded that schedulers did no wrong in using volunteers crewmembers for covering ASAP trips. No evidence was shown that indicated schedulers treated crewmembers better as a result of recieving small gifts.

I was part of the investigation and will regret it for the rest of my days here as the schedulers continue to take their revenge on us. We picked the wrong hill to fight this battle on. Of the accused schedulers: One threatened to exercise his privileges under the caste system, another had pictures of the CEO in the old bubble bath at 625 Hamilton and the third didn't even get the perfunctory escort off the property. You see, there was a little blue dress back in CMH that had been damaged in the same manner as the one down at Gulfstream Aerospace in Georgia. And that's how we all wound up in the mess we're in now with the new regime.

 

[dsptchrnja]

I was part of the investigation and will regret it for the rest of my days here as the schedulers continue to take their revenge on us. We picked the wrong hill to fight this battle on. Of the accused schedulers: One threatened to exercise his privileges under the caste system, another had pictures of the CEO in the old bubble bath at 625 Hamilton and the third didn't even get the perfunctory escort off the property. You see, there was a little blue dress back in CMH that had been damaged in the same manner as the one down at Gulfstream Aerospace in Georgia. And that's how we all wound up in the mess we're in now with the new regime.

Revenge? Battle? Regime? Dude, it's been over a year. Seek counsling.

 

[dukeofdub]

What Proof?

I was part of the investigation and will regret it for the rest of my days here as the schedulers continue to take their revenge on us. We picked the wrong hill to fight this battle on. Of the accused schedulers: One threatened to exercise his privileges under the caste system, another had pictures of the CEO in the old bubble bath at 625 Hamilton and the third didn't even get the perfunctory escort off the property. You see, there was a little blue dress back in CMH that had been damaged in the same manner as the one down at Gulfstream Aerospace in Georgia. And that's how we all wound up in the mess we're in now with the new regime.

Get real and get over it. There was no solid proof. Nothing the ethics investigators found. No paper trail. So there was nothing! They did it all legal and by the book, just like a DNIF or writing up an aircrafct to make sure it is in optimum condition. They didn't do anything more than many of you NJ pilots are doing now, just in a different way. So what is your beef? Get over it!

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Yeah, that makes sense....why dont you just say "I didnt exercise any forethought and get my passport renewed 6 months before it expired."

If you can get a physical ontime then you can get a passport ontime.

You really are a dope. There are two months to get your physical and you must get it renewed in those months to get reinbursed. Try getting it renewed a month before the month it expires.... Expense denied.

Now, unlike EJI, when it comes to passports, the company will pay for one. You must keep it until it expires(not the month it expires). Then you mail it in and advise scheduling to take you off of international status. Your expired passport gets returned with a cancellation stamp and you WAIT for your new one and the bill. That's all the company will approve. Should you decide to go with a special Expedited Service, the company will deny your entire bill. They won't even have you pay just the difference. You take the whole bill yourself.

I refuse to do favours for a company that behaves in this puerile manner. Plus, it's fun to watch scheduling continually drop the ball and try to ASAP me to Central America! No more favours, fly the pledge!