Netjets - Say Hello To Your First Global

[CRAWDADDY]

Always makes me chuckle. Ran into one of those super G pilots in HPN who said a few years in the right seat would be necessary for those gold ties to learn the trade. The look I got when I told him I was in my early 20's when Uncle Sam gave me a $40 million fighter to tool around Europe and East Asia in the 80's was classic. I still bow in their presence-not. It ain't rocket science.

There are exceptions... and I'll bet that you won't be in the first Global class.
Like it or not, with a few notable and great exceptions, the super senior gold ties didn't get hired with your qualifications. This was where the misfits went.
Still, it won't take "a few years" though I like to see it to adjust their attitudes.

 

[realityman]

Probably a lot of headaches over nothing. We may possibly take 120 of these planes over 10 years?! Really? Based on what I'm hearing, no way will they sell anywhere near that well. My guess is we'll take 3/year, if we're lucky.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great plane. But we barely operated half that many Gulfstreams in our heady days of massive growth. But somehow we're going to sell twice as many Globals as we ever had Gulfstreams without the same conditions we had pre-2008 (and which I doubt we'll ever see again)?

I realize we don't have that many FIRM orders, but I just don't think we're going to be operating a massive fleet of Globals.

As for who will fly them, my guess is it'll be Gulfstream pilots. Our contract is pretty open-ended about how displacements work. This EMT is very bottom-line oriented. And it makes the most financial sense to simply move displaced Gulfstream pilots into the Globals. Using that method, you only pay for one training event per pilot. If the Globals are opened up to straight seniority bidding company-wide, a lot of senior 'A' folks will go to the Globals. But you still have to do something with the Gulfstream pilots whose planes are going away. So now they'd be paying for the training for the Globals AND training the G pilots in something else. And if it's straight seniority bidding, the company will also have to replace the 'A' pilots who go to the Globals with other pilots, and it most likely would be with more 'A' pilots, since we have so many who are senior to the Gulfstream pilots. A straight seniority bid creates a whole bunch of expensive training events.

I am a pretty senior 'A' pilot. Only have a handful of G pilots senior to me. But I'm resigned to the fact that even if we take 6 Globals a year (very unlikely in my opinion) it's going to be a long time before I ever fly the Globals. With displacements, all the GIV pilots are ahead of me, plus a great deal of the super senior 'A' pilots who may want it (my seniority is in the mid-100's).

Oh well, that's just the way it goes. I would've enjoyed the longer trips. And higher pay scale. But I'll enjoy the CL300, or TEN, or 2000S or whatever super-mids we end up with.

 

[gunfyter]

You'll have to wait for all the Falcon guys to get displaced into those airplanes too ... :laugh:

 

[G4dude]

You'll have to wait for all the Falcon guys to get displaced into those airplanes too ... :laugh:

I hadn't thought of that!

 

[G4dude]

There are exceptions... and I'll bet that you won't be in the first Global class.
Like it or not, with a few notable and great exceptions, the super senior gold ties didn't get hired with your qualifications. This was where the misfits went.
Still, it won't take "a few years" though I like to see it to adjust their attitudes.

I am sure there are plenty of gold tie pilots who will do just fine on the Gulfstream/Globals. Experience is key, of course, and a willingness to learn the peculiarities of China, Saudi Arabia, etc. The gold tie guys who have come here have done great, with a few exceptions.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

The gold tie guys who have come here have done great, with a few exceptions.

It's the ones that could've but didn't that concern me

 

[realityman]

You'll have to wait for all the Falcon guys to get displaced into those airplanes too ... :laugh:

I'd say that's a good point, but the X's will be going away also. It's already started.

I think seniority is going to rule with the new mids and super-mids.

 

[G4dude]

I'd say that's a good point, but the X's will be going away also. It's already started.

I think seniority is going to rule with the new mids and super-mids.

When the heck are they going to announce the new mid and super mids?

 

[BentOver]

I'd say that's a good point, but the X's will be going away also. It's already started.

I think seniority is going to rule with the new mids and super-mids.

I may be wrong but aren't the X's nearly the oldest a/c in the fleet? Probably is time to phase them out for a new model???

 

[realityman]

I may be wrong but aren't the X's nearly the oldest a/c in the fleet? Probably is time to phase them out for a new model???

Agreed. They are. But the Falcons are nearly as old. Both the X's and the Falcons have started fleet reductions. Won't be long for the G200's also. Not sure what the time frame on the Excel's will be.

Lots of planes going away. Hopefully lots of new planes to replace them. But that's why I think the new mids and super-mids will be bid by straight seniority. There's going to be a large pilot shuffle.

 

[johnsonrod]

But don't worry - you've got Phenom 300s on the way!

 

[gunfyter]

I may be wrong but aren't the X's nearly the oldest a/c in the fleet? Probably is time to phase them out for a new model???

True but when you travel so close to the Speed of Heat the time dilation effect keeps the ships young. Same with the pilots and that's why they don't need to retire at 65.

 

[G4dude]

True but when you travel so close to the Speed of Heat the time dilation effect keeps the ships young. Same with the pilots and that's why they don't need to retire at 65.

And which is why we want the supersonic bizjet as soon as possible.

 

[BentOver]

True but when you travel so close to the Speed of Heat the time dilation effect keeps the ships young. Same with the pilots and that's why they don't need to retire at 65.

Now that I think about it......I doubt any GWhiz pilots would be allowed to bid something like a new TEN or the old X..... We may not be able to "handle" the international, but I doubt "they" can handle the performance

 

[landlover]

A straight seniority bid creates a whole bunch of expensive training events.

i woud imagine each airplane comes with 4 type ratings. I'm sure netjets would have more then 2 crews per airplane but it would certainly lessing the blow of all the training involved.