Netjets - Say Hello To Your First Global

[johnsonrod]

I think I remember something about the Globals going to bid just like every other a/c....As far as displacement bids, IF there were to be a displacement out of the Gulfstreams, those pilots can bid whatever is available. Much like what is going to probably occur with pilots in the Beechjet, Hawkers, Ultra's etc... There should be a lot of plane switching in the next couple years.....Plus there are still the Phenoms coming up, and also whatever Mid-Size announcements are made. (My bet is the CL-300 and new Citation TEN)

But as far as I know there is no special bid awards given to Gulfstream pilots for being with the former NJI.

Thanks for that. So, let's say you are a junior GIVSP FO (legacy NJI pilot who joined before the integration and you were not furloughed). Is there a higher likelihood that you will jump to the Global as an FO or will you be bidding whatever you could hold per your seniority (perhaps the XLS or X)? On the other side of the coin, will a current legacy NJA pilot (say a G200 Captain with good seniority) have a chance of bidding the Global in the next few years?

Just curious because the NJA/NJI integration was never really explained clearly. Now that a new aircraft type is being introduced at the higher end, it would be interesting to understand the integration implications for the combined pilots... Again, not trying to stir the pot!

 

[BentOver]

Thanks for that. So, let's say you are a junior GIVSP FO (legacy NJI pilot who joined before the integration and you were not furloughed). Is there a higher likelihood that you will jump to the Global as an FO or will you be bidding whatever you could hold per your seniority (perhaps the XLS or X)? On the other side of the coin, will a current legacy NJA pilot (say a G200 Captain with good seniority) have a chance of bidding the Global in the next few years?

Just curious because the NJA/NJI integration was never really explained clearly. Now that a new aircraft type is being introduced at the higher end, it would be interesting to understand the integration implications for the combined pilots... Again, not trying to stir the pot!

I guess it would depend on whether or not very many Captains bid for Global FO.. (I guess it does happen?)... With only about 500-600 SIC's out of 2500 pilots anything could be possible with a junior SIC (junior is relative based on 500 furloughees, SIC's being here atleast 5-6 years etc. It's hard to call anyone junior anymore:beer:... IMO fractional flying and bidding is a special type of bidding. A Global with a 12 hr duration time is not real appealing to some vs. being on a slower fleet and spending more down time at hotels etc....with 1-2 hr leg lengths. There is more of a difference between fleets here than say at Delta. (with the exception of long haul international stuff vs. an MD88) With no bases and no set schedule and where seniority really doesn't play a whole lot of role in schedule it comes down to a few key items..

1) Amount of work
2) FA vs non FA
3)Value of the type rating. (trust me, after this furlough I have anew found passion for collecting valuable types)
4) APU vs non-APU
5)Reputation of the pilots in each fleet. (some fleets have a few more dingbats than others according to popular opinion!)

 

[imacdog]

Thanks for that. So, let's say you are a junior GIVSP FO (legacy NJI pilot who joined before the integration and you were not furloughed). Is there a higher likelihood that you will jump to the Global as an FO or will you be bidding whatever you could hold per your seniority (perhaps the XLS or X)? On the other side of the coin, will a current legacy NJA pilot (say a G200 Captain with good seniority) have a chance of bidding the Global in the next few years?

Just curious because the NJA/NJI integration was never really explained clearly. Now that a new aircraft type is being introduced at the higher end, it would be interesting to understand the integration implications for the combined pilots... Again, not trying to stir the pot!

I think it'll all come down to how the bid is released. If it's released as a displacement bid, then whoever is getting displaced from their fleet will have first shot. Otherwise, the Global would be treated as any other non-G fleet and go to the entire seniority list for bid.

 

[G4dude]

I think it'll all come down to how the bid is released. If it's released as a displacement bid, then whoever is getting displaced from their fleet will have first shot. Otherwise, the Global would be treated as any other non-G fleet and go to the entire seniority list for bid.

Imacdog has it exactly right, I think. Also, none of the G guys and gals I have talked with intend to try for the Global. They say they don't want to fly with all those senior A pilots. Having too much fun with our old friends in the Gs. My sentiments match theirs. Go figure.

 

[G4dude]

Imacdog has it exactly right, I think. Also, none of the G guys and gals I have talked with intend to try for the Global. They say they don't want to fly with all those senior A pilots. Having too much fun with our old friends in the Gs. My sentiments match theirs. Go figure.

Finishing my thought, the Global will be available for senior bids unencumbered by competition from non-displaced G pilots, looks like.

 

[johnsonrod]

Imacdog has it exactly right, I think. Also, none of the G guys and gals I have talked with intend to try for the Global. They say they don't want to fly with all those senior A pilots. Having too much fun with our old friends in the Gs. My sentiments match theirs. Go figure.

So, does that assume that the Gs will stick around for awhile as the Globals are phased in? Won't the Globals be replacing the entire Gulfstream fleet? Or will the fleet ultimately include a mix of Gulfstreams and Globals? Sorry, I guess I am a bit confused.... Thanks for any clarification.

 

[BentOver]

So, does that assume that the Gs will stick around for awhile as the Globals are phased in? Won't the Globals be replacing the entire Gulfstream fleet? Or will the fleet ultimately include a mix of Gulfstreams and Globals? Sorry, I guess I am a bit confused.... Thanks for any clarification.

I think that is a million $ question..... Of course we'd like them all to stay! Not sure if anyone other than the EMT knows the master plan.....

I'm certainly not listening to Luthi's take on it if he has one... According to him, every other fractional is kicking NJA's butt, and then this week it becomes apparent they are not.

There's speculation what the fleet will look like.. (no more Beechjets/800's or Ultra's) add Phenom's... Other than that who the hell knows. The X's are getting old, but there are new TEN's to be available later next year.

 

[AftCG182]

...According to him, every other fractional is kicking NJA's butt, and then this week it becomes apparent they are not...QUOTE]

With the exception of Avantair. Reference the February BCA article. We ARE kicking butts...

 

[BentOver]

...According to him, every other fractional is kicking NJA's butt, and then this week it becomes apparent they are not...QUOTE]

With the exception of Avantair. Reference the February BCA article. We ARE kicking butts...

:beer:

I'll give ya that... But I gotta say, it's on a different playing field.....Different segment of the market.....

 

[7on7Off]

With the exception of Avantair. Reference the February BCA article. We ARE kicking butts...

Same article said we were doing well too; we expect an announcement tomorrow night telling us that we're going out of business.

 

[G4dude]

So, does that assume that the Gs will stick around for awhile as the Globals are phased in? Won't the Globals be replacing the entire Gulfstream fleet? Or will the fleet ultimately include a mix of Gulfstreams and Globals? Sorry, I guess I am a bit confused.... Thanks for any clarification.

The GIV and GV folks will leave fingernail scratch marks in the carpet as the Gs get phased out, then I guess we will try for the Global because we like the long trips. We won't bid the Global as long as we can fly the "Guffstreams", I suspect. I should have been clearer. The Gulfstreams will be phased out over the next 10 years, I think, replaced as they leave by Globals, which probably is a fine plane.

 

[BentOver]

Same article said we were doing well too; we expect an announcement tomorrow night telling us that we're going out of business.

same article interviewed NJA's ex-managment team member and it's Union President who is in very hot water at the moment... Then when part II comes out the first headline is how NJA execs. wouldn't be agree to be interviewed.. Gee I wonder why, they got roasted in Part I.

when it comes to aviation articles like that every thinks they're an expert.. Just look at B.Foley.....He throws out so much crap it comes out of his ears.

 

[NachoMamma]

then I guess we will try for the Global because we like the long trips.

You're assuming you have the seniority to hold it...very unlikely.

 

[G4dude]

You're assuming you have the seniority to hold it...very unlikely.

I think we would have a decent shot in a displacement bid. Is my terminology correct? Otherwise, you are correct, Nacho.

 

[bluepost]

If these displacements happen, say 5 years from now, I think there would be a crap storm if any G displacements to the Global went any more junior then any current (at the time) Global pilot.

No company lets baggage linger that long from any merger. At some point in the future G pilots will fly the aircraft that their seniority can hold. By that point there will hopefully have been dozens of Global bids that the G guys could of bid fair and square, and if the pay structure is the same (40k lbs +), that extra $$$ they were making all those years would of been viewed as a gift.

 

[G4dude]

If these displacements happen, say 5 years from now, I think there would be a crap storm if any G displacements to the Global went any more junior then any current (at the time) Global pilot.

No company lets baggage linger that long from any merger. At some point in the future G pilots will fly the aircraft that their seniority can hold. By that point there will hopefully have been dozens of Global bids that the G guys could of bid fair and square, and if the pay structure is the same (40k lbs +), that extra $$$ they were making all those years would of been viewed as a gift.

You could very well be right. A couple of Union guys have told me that NJA will probably want to staff the Globals with displaced "Guffstream" pilots. Other pilots for the Globals would obviously come from non seat locked senior gold tie pilots, and that's as it should be. They are sure going to get some interesting trips!

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Let's not get worked over this...

Play it right and there will be plenty of Globals to go around.

From a practical standpoint, it makes sense. Both sides allowed an A-Team culture but the black ties know what they're doing. It's hit or miss on the union side. Some knowledgeable int'l A-Teamers, some chuckleheads.
If the gold ties don't try to agitate the displaced pilots, they may actually pick up a few pointers and we can be one big happy family.

Still better than that "great" BBJ deal.

 

[Willy21]

That is three positive posts in a row. Knock it off guys, remember were are to be locked in a bitter duel to te end.

 

[Pervis]

If the gold ties don't try to agitate the displaced pilots, they may actually pick up a few pointers and we can be one big happy family.

Always makes me chuckle. Ran into one of those super G pilots in HPN who said a few years in the right seat would be necessary for those gold ties to learn the trade. The look I got when I told him I was in my early 20's when Uncle Sam gave me a $40 million fighter to tool around Europe and East Asia in the 80's was classic. I still bow in their presence-not. It ain't rocket science.

 

[Partyfoul]

Always makes me chuckle. Ran into one of those super G pilots in HPN who said a few years in the right seat would be necessary for those gold ties to learn the trade. The look I got when I told him I was in my early 20's when Uncle Sam gave me a $40 million fighter to tool around Europe and East Asia in the 80's was classic. I still bow in their presence-not. It ain't rocket science.

I think its funny you call an F-111 a fighter..... I kid....