Netjets Recalls!!!!

[captain007]

It wasn't that long before the furlough that I was approached by MANY United FO's asking how they could get on with NETJETS. UAL was going down the toilet rapidly and they wanted out. Point being, the only certainty with aviation is change. Things could get worse or they could get better. Giving up your seniority that high up the list would take some serious stones.

Stepping back and getting away from aviation for the last 4 years has given me a pretty decent perspective on life. I bitched and complained about the regional life until I got out. I thought flying a 747 around the world would be what I wanted.....NOPE. I got to Net Jets and immediately loved that kind of flying. Sitting out of aviation for this long has given me a new appreciation for flying. I know NetJets isn't what it was, but your making 150kish/yr not having to commute to work. You have probably worked at NJ most of your career to be that high up and so young. Life isn't always greener on the other side!!! I would love to show you the scars on my hands from the last 4 years of plumbing. Like you, I make good money, but I'm burned out and ready to put it in my rear view mirror. Not busting your chops, but just hoping you don't make a mistake you might regret.

Can't wait to get back and help make NJ a career gig again!!

Cheers

Good post Brother!!!

 

[hopalong]

Welcome back! We are thrilled to see that they are recalling! You all have been through the ringer. Let us know who is coming back. We are trying to get you back on the message boards. Drinks on us! CHEERS!!!!

 

[johnsonrod]

Welcome back! We are thrilled to see that they are recalling! You all have been through the ringer. Let us know who is coming back. We are trying to get you back on the message boards. Drinks on us! CHEERS!!!!

Great news! Probably too early to speculate, but are there certain fleets that are particularly light on pilots where returning pilots would likely be allocated? Encore? Phenom? XLS? I suppose sim availability might play a role too.

 

[imacdog]

Anything open is fair game, as I don't think there is a contractual requirement for the company to post an open bid for normal positions first. I think there should be, but wasn't able to find a clause for that in the contract. However, the company is taking deliveries of Phenoms and focusing as many newhire (recall) positions there as possible reduces the number displacements, training cycles, and cancelled seat locks.

 

[sshrae]

Happy to see the recall intent is out there, I am about 400 out of the 495. I am not going to be coming back and out of the people that I know there is nobody who is taking the recall. My guess is they will work their way through the list pretty quickly which will be great for the guys at the bottom who want to come back.
Cheers

 

[billybob]

So it sounds like tomorrow the numbers will or info will come out?

 

[Wankel7]

So it sounds like tomorrow the numbers will or info will come out?

January 23rd is what I heard....although as usual...there isn't a year at the end of the date I heard

Hopefully, that joke is dead now

Edit - I am joking on the 23rd hopefully 2014 but I have heard this week also.

 

[billybob]

One of the guys said today was the management/union sit-down on it. So 23rd sounds correct. Killing me, I want to turn in my notice so bad

 

[hopalong]

Hang in there billy bob; the waiting sucks! How many from the bottom are you?

 

[billybob]

First 100 or so. I think.

 

[hopalong]

Billy bob, as soon as I hear anything, I will let you know. I keep checking the boards and crewops for any new info. Hopefully the beer will flow like wine real soon!....

 

[Downwind]

Billy bob, as soon as I hear anything, I will let you know. I keep checking the boards and crewops for any new info. Hopefully the beer will flow like wine real soon!....

No updates on our "side" of the board yet.

 

[hopalong]

Billy bob, downwind, av8(love your post), and all furloughed,

The news is that there was indeed a meeting today. They are preparing to publish news soon, hopefully tomorrow. All of our furloughed are in our prayers....

 

[billybob]

Hopalong
And everyone else. THANK YOU. You guys give us hope and a link to the mothership. See you in cmh soon

 

[hopalong]

You bet... We have your backs and are looking forward to your return....

 

[hopalong]

I just found out they plan to recall "small groups" of people at a time. They did not give a quantitative number. I wish our union would pin them down for a more specific number. It's so frustrating for you all. I am going to recurrent next week and will get more info. I will pm you my phone number.

 

[LAZYB]

I just found out they plan to recall "small groups" of people at a time. They did not give a quantitative number. I wish our union would pin them down for a more specific number. It's so frustrating for you all. I am going to recurrent next week and will get more info. I will pm you my phone number.

Hope and "change"... buy yourself some bubblegum.

 

[Xcorporate]

It's going to take days to sift through all the information the union and company are providing us.....Oh wait.

Like I said, when they (union/co.) start acting civil towards us we'll know recalls are coming. Still not seeing it.

 

[LAZYB]

Like the little red headed girl @ the keggers said, "It's only real if you think it's real."

Same as the keggers, all I know is uke:

 

[gutshotdraw]

I just found out they plan to recall "small groups" of people at a time. They did not give a quantitative number. I wish our union would pin them down for a more specific number. It's so frustrating for you all. I am going to recurrent next week and will get more info. I will pm you my phone number.

I doubt they'll tell you anything then. They sure didn't have any info for us tonight...

 

[imacdog]

They've been very quiet on our side of the board since Wednesday.

 

[amaineiac]

I doubt they'll tell you anything then. They sure didn't have any info for us tonight...

Appreciate you asking. I think a lot of us were feeling pretty optimistic when we first heard of recalls, but from the latest info, it seems that we're in for yet another disappointment.

 

[billybob]

Like a padded bra

 

[OPECJet]

Like a padded bra

Yeah, but there's still some fun under those cups.

 

[CMRdvr]

Yeah, but there's still some fun under those cups.

It's all about expectations.

 

[gutshotdraw]

It's all about expectations.

They spent a LOT of time yesterday managing those expectations.

And there were a surprising number of kool aid drinkers lapping it up.

Sad.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

They spent a LOT of time yesterday managing those expectations.

And there were a surprising number of kool aid drinkers lapping it up.

Sad.

Are you talking about the company or from the union?

 

[OPECJet]

Expectations.

Look at it this way guys. The guys in the initial recall classes are the guinea pigs. Those of us who don't get recalled in the near future will be in a better position to accept or bypass / resign. I have completely stopped paying attention to the news, but I'm thinking there's still a chance this isn't a real economic recovery ad there will be another furlough. A slow trickle of recalls is insulation for some of us if that happens. Then we have Hansell running the show. I'm still convinced the man isn't qualified to run a sno cone machine and stands a good chance of causing Netjets to make Eastern Airlines look like an amusement park. More insulation from that possible train wreck. Then we have the dumpster fire of an eboard.

The only possible downside I see is our potential sellout. The more guys that get recalled, the less likely this is. That likelihood was probably low to begin with and gets lower the more pissed off the pilot group gets.

It's the same ride we've been on for the last four years. To me, many of us are going to be able to cruise through the BS and either not go back because the company melted down and no longer exists, or we go back to a Netjets that's close to the one that furloughed us, only with a little more production and less waste.

If it implodes, it'll be fun to watch where management ends up. Hansell will land on his feet by going back to practicing law. The others? Well, I would think it'll be hard to explain how you were part of a team that took down the largest luxury aircraft provider in the world.

 

[jetlag7]

I agree with Buffets concern or lack of for NJA.... For his empire it is a very very small portion, and after the DS incident, probably just a huge pain in the rear... While the pilots deserve more $$ and QOL, I'm afraid that the methods usually used to get there (labor unrest etc) may just be the type of tipping point for Buffet or his successor to just rid themselves of the whole thing..

I know you've been gone for some time Bent, and from an outsider's point of view, I can see how you can draw this conclusion.

From the point of view of someone who spends a lot of face time with the owners, has listened to their frustrating accounts of disappointment, and who has witnessed first hand the erosion of our brand by the current CEO's method for running the business, I'm fairly confident the "tipping point" resulting in the "huge pain in the rear" you refer to will most likely be reached long before labor issues take center stage.

In my opinion, future labor disputes are small potatoes compared to the building tsunami of owner frustration with our CEO and his abandonment of service for the foolish pursuit of "metrics."

 

[fly4funcrj]

We can only hope he is shown the door before we all are.