Netjets Recalls!!!!

[pilotyip]

And anyone who finds NJA unacceceptable in its current form is ungrateful in your opinion.

Not at all ungrateful, just out of touch with reality when compared to other jobs flying medium sized airplanes

 

[jetlag7]

Not at all ungrateful, just out of touch with reality when compared to other jobs flying medium sized airplanes

You're making the wrong comparison Yip.

You shouldn't be looking at the planes, but rather the CREW that pilot them.

I'm sure you know there are numerous "entry-level" corporate and charter jobs that operate similar equipment to what we fly. ("medium-sized airplanes" as you described them)

In fact, early in my career as a "freshly-minted" 500 hour First Officer, I flew charter for one of these companies in an aircraft very similar to the one I now fly for NJ.

In the here and now, I'm essentially performing the same duties as I did all those years ago, but for a larger compensation package.

So why do you think that is?

Do you suppose several thousand hours of experience and a few decades worth of additional experience have anything to do with it?

You could make a similar comparison between a recent medical school graduate and a surgical veteran. Although both are licensed the same, and both technically possess the same skillset, who do you think commands the higher salary?

Once upon a time, experience used to matter to NJ and they were willing to pay for seasoned flight crew.

Sadly, those days seem to be over.

NJ is no longer remotely competitive with other company compensation packages who are hiring pilots with the same level of training, experience, and qualifications.

In this regard, I believe they are the ones "out of touch with reality..."

 

[BentOver]

YIP is just of the mindset of "everyone should be happy that their job isn't as bad as someone elses".....

Allowing yourself to be subject to mediocrity does not mean everyone else should be ok with it.... It's the drive to be better or achieve more that makes some highly successful in this industry... (there are also some who are driven but just had the misfortune of bad timing or just not getting the call although they deserved it)

 

[pilotyip]

YIP is just of the mindset of "everyone should be happy that their job isn't as bad as someone elses".....

wrong, my post was just the opposite, the furloughed NJ guys at JUS are moving from mediocrity to a much better place when they get their recalls. Compared to what they have now being a NJ F/O for the rest of their life would double their current pay and give them much better QOL. What is wrong with that.

 

[OPECJet]

And Waldo will still be stunned they don't come back to NJ

Waldo doesn't want us back.

 

[gunfyter]

Easy on Yip ... he was right about the pilot shortage

 

[Praetorian]

You're making the wrong comparison Yip.

You shouldn't be looking at the planes, but rather the CREW that pilot them.

I'm sure you know there are numerous "entry-level" corporate and charter jobs that operate similar equipment to what we fly. ("medium-sized airplanes" as you described them)

In fact, early in my career as a "freshly-minted" 500 hour First Officer, I flew charter for one of these companies in an aircraft very similar to the one I now fly for NJ.

In the here and now, I'm essentially performing the same duties as I did all those years ago, but for a larger compensation package.

So why do you think that is?

Do you suppose several thousand hours of experience and a few decades worth of additional experience have anything to do with it?

You could make a similar comparison between a recent medical school graduate and a surgical veteran. Although both are licensed the same, and both technically possess the same skillset, who do you think commands the higher salary?

Once upon a time, experience used to matter to NJ and they were willing to pay for seasoned flight crew.

Sadly, those days seem to be over.

NJ is no longer remotely competitive with other company compensation packages who are hiring pilots with the same level of training, experience, and qualifications.

In this regard, I believe they are the ones "out of touch with reality..."

I really wish experience counted for something in aviation as it does in medicine, but it doesn't. Ask yourself, what would Chuck Yeager be if he were hired by NJ tomorrow? The lowest paid F/O on the seniority list.

 

[jetlag7]

I really wish experience counted for something in aviation as it does in medicine, but it doesn't. Ask yourself, what would Chuck Yeager be if he were hired by NJ tomorrow? The lowest paid F/O on the seniority list.

We're only paid what we can negotiate....

Why do you think Physicians in other countries earn considerably less than their US counterparts?

Look no further than The American Medical Association (AMA) -- arguably the most successful trade union in history.

 

[LAZYB]

We're only paid what we can negotiate....

Why do you think Physicians in other countries earn considerably less than their US counterparts?

Look no further than The American Medical Association (AMA) -- arguably the most successful trade union in history.

True dat

 

[Praetorian]

We're only paid what we can negotiate....

Why do you think Physicians in other countries earn considerably less than their US counterparts?

Look no further than The American Medical Association (AMA) -- arguably the most successful trade union in history.

Yea that was kinda my point.

 

[pilotyip]

I really wish experience counted for something in aviation as it does in medicine, but it doesn't. Ask yourself, what would Chuck Yeager be if he were hired by NJ tomorrow? The lowest paid F/O on the seniority list.

Doctors, like Tax accountants, marketing directors etc have unique skills that the job market can not easily fill, therefore that have to pay more to find hte right people. Pilots skills are nearly universal, anyone with a vertain level of skill and desire can fly an airplane. You fly airplanes because you like to, it is then a great job.

 

[imacdog]

A job with terrible QOL and low pay is not a great job, even if it is doing something you enjoy.

 

[pilotyip]

A job with terrible QOL and low pay is not a great job, even if it is doing something you enjoy.

Then you find another job, there are lots of them out there and they all have a "this sucks" factor in the job. or you vote with your feet. If enough pilots walk it does get mangment's attenion, in the spring of 1998 we lost 25% of our DC-9 pilots in a three month period. Management rasied the pay and gave more days off until attrition settled to manageable level.

 

[imacdog]

But if you like to fly, wouldn't it be a great job? Just like you said? Or are you admitting that your favorite catch phrase is a bunch of crap?

 

[LAZYB]

"Flying is the best job in the world as long as you don't have to rely on it as a source of income"‏

:beer:

 

[pilotyip]

But if you like to fly, wouldn't it be a great job? Just like you said? Or are you admitting that your favorite catch phrase is a bunch of crap?

Ah! a little name calling; so FI,

:beer:
"Flying is the best job in the world as long as you don't have to rely on it as a source of income"‏

Of course there has to be a certain level of QOL and pay to make a flying job work. NJ is there, JUS not so much, but I am happy and it works for me.

 

[Downwind]

...but I am happy and it works for me.

And I think that is key. For some it's pure money. Others it's the schedule. Some need to "compensate" and fly the biggest there is. Others want benefits. Or location. What works for some won't for others. I have a number at Port Columbus and won't be returning. The guys next to me on the list might.

 

[pilotyip]

And I think that is key. For some it's pure money. Others it's the schedule. Some need to "compensate" and fly the biggest there is. Others want benefits. Or location. What works for some won't for others. I have a number at Port Columbus and won't be returning. The guys next to me on the list might.

Thank you ++ on this post

 

[imacdog]

YIP you need to learn the difference between name calling and saying your opinion is pure crap.

 

[pilotyip]

YIP you need to learn the difference between name calling and saying your opinion is pure crap.

Does learning have anything to do with a college degree