Netjets, or Skywest?

[RideTheWind]

Currently flying adhoc in a Lear. By the looks of the TA the new pay at NJ will be substantially more than Skywest, but I've heard Skywest has a 4 on 3 off scedule, and the new NJ sounds like a minimum of 7 on. I'd much rather only be gone from home 4 days at a time than 7.

How many hours a day on average to you work at Skywest? I've heard NJ is typically 12 to 14 hours.

Thanks.

 

[viper548]

4 on 3 off is probably avg at SKW. Since going to PBS, schedules are less likely to be 4/3. For oct mine was 4 on, 3 off, 4 on, 4 off, 4 on, 6 off, 4 on. I commute, so this is an excellent schedule for me

 

[Heavy Set]

Currently flying adhoc in a Lear. By the looks of the TA the new pay at NJ will be substantially more than Skywest, but I've heard Skywest has a 4 on 3 off scedule, and the new NJ sounds like a minimum of 7 on. I'd much rather only be gone from home 4 days at a time than 7.

How many hours a day on average to you work at Skywest? I've heard NJ is typically 12 to 14 hours.

Thanks.

The NJA TA has not been fully detailed. There are still a lot of outstanding details to be finalized (Retro pay for existing pilots, NJI integration and others) so I wouldn't get too excited yet - it ain't done until it is done. NJA management has been unpredictable and not too cooperative so I would watch the situation for the time being.

Skywest still has a lot of issues related to pay including the 70-90 seat aircraft paying 50-seat rates. That's ridiculous and it needs to improve considerably. If you want to fly for the airlines in the long-run, perhaps Skywest would be good for a taste of that type of operation.

 

[hydrarkt]

Retro pay is already set. New hires won't get any of course. NJI will eventually be a part of NJA.. it is only a matter of time. 7 and 7 will be the norm at NJA.

 

[Heavy Set]

Retro pay is already set. New hires won't get any of course. NJI will eventually be a part of NJA.. it is only a matter of time. 7 and 7 will be the norm at NJA.

Sounds like a big improvement. Let's hope it works out.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

first year skywest about 18000
first year netjets minimum 39000

My old flight instructor works for SkyWest and has been there 5 years. He told me last week that SkyWest is slowly beging to feel like working for Mesa.

 

[CheckandSet]

Second year pay at Skywest is 45,000-
3rd year Captain pay is 70,000
4on3 off is the norm, but starting to see 3on4 off.
Doesn't feel like Mesa yet!

 

[be-400xpdriver]

2nd year crj fo at skywest 35hr x 75hr/month x 12months = 31500 how do you come up with 45000? Did you already count your 1.25% pay raise?

5 year capt NetJets 90000 minimum.
5 year capt skywest 63hr x 75hr/month x 12months = 56700

 

[Superpilot92]

Perdiem added to the pay i think is what would give those numbers.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

oh yeah per diem. Skywest 1.60hr NetJets 1.65hr plus NetJets feeds you crew meals. I have only been denied once for a crew meal and that was because we had a 5 hour layover. Nice hotels, Hiltons, Double Trees, etc. unless your stuck in Alpine, TX and the best they have is a Best Western. NetJets has free medical for all family members, saved me 500 dollars a month from old job.

 

[Superpilot92]

dont get me wrong i am all for netjets i would be interested if i had a bit more time. I was just saying thats where he might have gotten his figure.

 

[Rogue5]

Well I can give anecdotal evidence:

1st year (Bro F.O.): 24k
2nd year (Bro/RJ F.O.): 45k
3rd year (Rj F.O./Captain): on track to make to make 70-75k

First third of this year was spent at F.O. pay, so I expect and have heard that next year will be around 85k base pay, but:

SKYW has a profit sharing program (company profit X your W2 per quarter), and a good stock purchase program (15% discount at beginning or end of 6 month period), that if taken advantage of, will greatly add to your general party fund.

We have problems here like any other place, but I can, without a doubt, state that I would rather be here than any other regional airline out there...

 

[CheckandSet]

2nd year crj fo at skywest 35hr x 75hr/month x 12months = 31500 how do you come up with 45000? Did you already count your 1.25% pay raise?

5 year capt NetJets 90000 minimum.
5 year capt skywest 63hr x 75hr/month x 12months = 56700

At net jets donesn't a new captain start at year 1 capt pay?
Do you earn 24 hr per deim when on a trip?

And no- I did not count my 60 cent raise I denied! Plus your just using a 75 hr month- most crews earn around 85 to 100 hrs of pay a month.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

No you dont start at year one capt when you upgrade it is based off years of service at the company. The only exception is in the BBJ and G IV and GV then it is years of service in that fleet type.

 

[RJET]

how long before the new TA becomes a contract?

 

[Hawk Driver]

how long before the new TA becomes a contract?

The compilation of votes takes place on November 21st if all goes as planned. It should be in place shortly thereafter.

HD

 

[NJA Capt]

first year skywest about 18000
first year netjets minimum....

Since newhires aren't able to bid the 7/7 until finished with training, they will be on the "Reserve" schedule.....therefore should be getting 46K base [no perdiem (1.70), no OT]

 

[psysicx]

So what is the mood like now,are the pilots happy?

 

[NJA Capt]

For oct mine was 4 on, 3 off, 4 on, 4 off, 4 on, 6 off, 4 on. I commute, so this is an excellent schedule for me

It's excellent to commute 4 times/month...Instead of 2??

Most of our commuters want the 7/7. You only commute 2x and don't spent 2 of your 3 days off travelling. A 4/3 commute sounds painful

So what is the mood like now,are the pilots happy?

I'll let you know Nov 22nd.

 

[viper548]

Personally I'd rather have 7/7, but that's not really an option at the regionals.

 

[viper548]

It's excellent to commute 4 times/month...Instead of 2??

Most of our commuters want the 7/7. You only commute 2x and don't spent 2 of your 3 days off travelling. A 4/3 commute sounds painful


I'll let you know Nov 22nd.

In aug, I had 2-day back to backs. The first 2 day had an 0430 show and the second two day had a release time of 2345. I would gladly take 4/3 over my sched in aug.

 

[SonnyD]

I just left SkyWest after getting about 85% up the seniority list. I was on 8-year pay, and a claim of W2 wages in excess of 75k smack of the need for random drug testing.

I consider myself a crafty bastard when it comes to picking up extra time (bragging: once got paid 18 hours for one day of work), but the pay just isn't that good.

Take the Netjets job. Better pay, better benefits, and you can kiss off the days of 36 month RJ upgrades anyway. They're gone and not coming back.

And if the airlines are your #1 destination, working for an airline won't help. It's all about who you know, as the 2,000 or so regional jets flying in the US are flown by 10,000 or so pilots who'd like to get the hell out. IOW, everybody has 1000 jet PIC, your ability to differentiate yourself will have a far greater effect on your career than your 121 time.

But if I were in your shoes, neither job would be my first choice.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

At net jets donesn't a new captain start at year 1 capt pay?
Do you earn 24 hr per deim when on a trip?

And no- I did not count my 60 cent raise I denied! Plus your just using a 75 hr month- most crews earn around 85 to 100 hrs of pay a month.

ok

5 year capt at SkyWest 63/hr x 100hr/month x 12 months = 75600

5 year fo SkyWest 38hr x 100hr/month x 12 mothns = 45600

 

[Ultra Grump]

ok

5 year capt at SkyWest 63/hr x 100hr/month x 12 months = 75600

5 year fo SkyWest 38hr x 100hr/month x 12 mothns = 45600

121 can't fly more than 1000 hours per year. Generally to figure out yearly pay, multiply the hourly rate by 1000. Few people will max out, but jr man, underblock, etc will result in approx pay = 1000 flight hours, so $63,000 and $38,000.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

121 can't fly more than 1000 hours per year. Generally to figure out yearly pay, multiply the hourly rate by 1000. Few people will max out, but jr man, underblock, etc will result in approx pay = 1000 flight hours, so $63,000 and $38,000.

Yeah but they can get paid for more than flying. Example day one just a leg DEN-ICT. Only 1.1 hours flying but get paid 3.75hrs for working that day. So they might only fly 85 but get paid for 100 is what they other guy/gal was refering to.

 

[Superpilot92]

royer!!!

 

[Rogue5]

Again, an example:

In 2004, block hours: 817.

Credit hours (includes 6 weeks training): 1236.

 

[Chairman]

Really depends on what you wan't. Skywest Training is first class and we are now paying new hires again. First year is a little rough but great place to work. You get much better travel benifits for you and your family. Plus you don't have to throw bags serve coffee. NJA you will fly some cool equipment but still a corporate outfit trying to run like an airline. As an FO you can't even fly with PAX on board unless you have 250 hours. Lots more time spent flying the the back of airlines just getting to where you are trying to go. I have never been to impressed with FSI training mostly a ticket school where few of the instructors even have time in the airplane. YOu will go to some better destinations and stay at some better hotels but you will be on call as they can call you 10 hours into your overnight and make you go to work. More flexability at SKYW being able to trade trips or pick up extra flying. Lots more growth on the way here too. Either way good luck

 

[RideTheWind]

Thanks for the info, have an interview with Netjets in December set up, waiting on a class date from SW.

 

[Seat 0A]

Really depends on what you wan't. Skywest Training is first class and we are now paying new hires again. First year is a little rough but great place to work. You get much better travel benifits for you and your family. Plus you don't have to throw bags serve coffee. NJA you will fly some cool equipment but still a corporate outfit trying to run like an airline. As an FO you can't even fly with PAX on board unless you have 250 hours. Lots more time spent flying the the back of airlines just getting to where you are trying to go. I have never been to impressed with FSI training mostly a ticket school where few of the instructors even have time in the airplane. YOu will go to some better destinations and stay at some better hotels but you will be on call as they can call you 10 hours into your overnight and make you go to work. More flexability at SKYW being able to trade trips or pick up extra flying. Lots more growth on the way here too. Either way good luck

A lack of research can really make one appear uninformed. Get ready for the REAL scoop:

1. NJA training is first class as well. MANY of our newhires, especially former airline, will tell you it's the most difficult they have had. Oh, and the first year is not "a little rough".

2. Your "travel benefits" at the airlines suck. At NJA we earn a fairly high amount of frequent flyer miles so we can travel on a real guaranteed-space ticket (we also attain elite status on many carriers so I sit in first-class when available). I have several vacations per year that are 100% FREE. This includes the hotels as well. We use mostly Hilton and Marriott properties (and earn our points) and are Diamond elite members because of it!

3. Who cares if you can't fly with pax until you have 250 hours? Every other leg is a ferry and you will fly those. Some of those legs are longer than the pax legs. Also, you will hit 250 hours in about 6-8 months and then we swap legs regardless of pax (ok, this IS at the discretion of the Captain).

4. We don't spend "lots of time in the back of airlines". We typically airline out on day 1 and home on the last day. Personally I get to pick up one of our company planes on day 1 and often ferry it home on the last day. Mid-tour airlining has been rare. Also, who cares? We airline on our duty-day, with a company paid ticket. Yes it's hard work. Miss, I will have another Coke!

5. ON CALL??? WTFO? This one really surprises me: Due to a little regulation called FAR 91K, they absolutely CANNOT contact you 10 hours into your rest!! We are briefed PRIOR to shutdown on one day for our show-time on the next day. If I am shutdown at 5pm on Wednesday and am given a show-time of 9am on Thursday and plans change overnight, then tough crap, they cannot call me. I have had more time off on overnights since this reg went into effect last February than I can shake a stick at. When we do have a couple of "short overnights" (which for us is a min of 10 hours), then we call in fatigued and ask for more rest tonight. We have a policy that a fatigue call is not to be questioned.
Also, our 10 hour "rest clock" is always started when we ARRIVE AT THE HOTEL.

6. Let's not even get into "growth".

I have been here 5 years and have averaged 425 flight hours per year. I travel only on "work days". Every other week is a 7 day vacation and when I actually use a vacation I am off for 21 days. I do this 3 times per year. I also have another 12 "sick days" per year that pretty much give me 2 more 21-day off periods per year. I pocket most of my per-diem, and get good catered meals from the company.

So please, if you are trying to compare the two, PLEASE grab a NJA pilot in some FBO and sit down with him or her, and ask for the REAL scoop.