Netjets, or Skywest?

[viper548]

It's excellent to commute 4 times/month...Instead of 2??

Most of our commuters want the 7/7. You only commute 2x and don't spent 2 of your 3 days off travelling. A 4/3 commute sounds painful


I'll let you know Nov 22nd.

In aug, I had 2-day back to backs. The first 2 day had an 0430 show and the second two day had a release time of 2345. I would gladly take 4/3 over my sched in aug.

 

[SonnyD]

I just left SkyWest after getting about 85% up the seniority list. I was on 8-year pay, and a claim of W2 wages in excess of 75k smack of the need for random drug testing.

I consider myself a crafty bastard when it comes to picking up extra time (bragging: once got paid 18 hours for one day of work), but the pay just isn't that good.

Take the Netjets job. Better pay, better benefits, and you can kiss off the days of 36 month RJ upgrades anyway. They're gone and not coming back.

And if the airlines are your #1 destination, working for an airline won't help. It's all about who you know, as the 2,000 or so regional jets flying in the US are flown by 10,000 or so pilots who'd like to get the hell out. IOW, everybody has 1000 jet PIC, your ability to differentiate yourself will have a far greater effect on your career than your 121 time.

But if I were in your shoes, neither job would be my first choice.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

At net jets donesn't a new captain start at year 1 capt pay?
Do you earn 24 hr per deim when on a trip?

And no- I did not count my 60 cent raise I denied! Plus your just using a 75 hr month- most crews earn around 85 to 100 hrs of pay a month.

ok

5 year capt at SkyWest 63/hr x 100hr/month x 12 months = 75600

5 year fo SkyWest 38hr x 100hr/month x 12 mothns = 45600

 

[Ultra Grump]

ok

5 year capt at SkyWest 63/hr x 100hr/month x 12 months = 75600

5 year fo SkyWest 38hr x 100hr/month x 12 mothns = 45600

121 can't fly more than 1000 hours per year. Generally to figure out yearly pay, multiply the hourly rate by 1000. Few people will max out, but jr man, underblock, etc will result in approx pay = 1000 flight hours, so $63,000 and $38,000.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

121 can't fly more than 1000 hours per year. Generally to figure out yearly pay, multiply the hourly rate by 1000. Few people will max out, but jr man, underblock, etc will result in approx pay = 1000 flight hours, so $63,000 and $38,000.

Yeah but they can get paid for more than flying. Example day one just a leg DEN-ICT. Only 1.1 hours flying but get paid 3.75hrs for working that day. So they might only fly 85 but get paid for 100 is what they other guy/gal was refering to.

 

[Superpilot92]

royer!!!

 

[Rogue5]

Again, an example:

In 2004, block hours: 817.

Credit hours (includes 6 weeks training): 1236.

 

[Chairman]

Really depends on what you wan't. Skywest Training is first class and we are now paying new hires again. First year is a little rough but great place to work. You get much better travel benifits for you and your family. Plus you don't have to throw bags serve coffee. NJA you will fly some cool equipment but still a corporate outfit trying to run like an airline. As an FO you can't even fly with PAX on board unless you have 250 hours. Lots more time spent flying the the back of airlines just getting to where you are trying to go. I have never been to impressed with FSI training mostly a ticket school where few of the instructors even have time in the airplane. YOu will go to some better destinations and stay at some better hotels but you will be on call as they can call you 10 hours into your overnight and make you go to work. More flexability at SKYW being able to trade trips or pick up extra flying. Lots more growth on the way here too. Either way good luck

 

[RideTheWind]

Thanks for the info, have an interview with Netjets in December set up, waiting on a class date from SW.

 

[Seat 0A]

Really depends on what you wan't. Skywest Training is first class and we are now paying new hires again. First year is a little rough but great place to work. You get much better travel benifits for you and your family. Plus you don't have to throw bags serve coffee. NJA you will fly some cool equipment but still a corporate outfit trying to run like an airline. As an FO you can't even fly with PAX on board unless you have 250 hours. Lots more time spent flying the the back of airlines just getting to where you are trying to go. I have never been to impressed with FSI training mostly a ticket school where few of the instructors even have time in the airplane. YOu will go to some better destinations and stay at some better hotels but you will be on call as they can call you 10 hours into your overnight and make you go to work. More flexability at SKYW being able to trade trips or pick up extra flying. Lots more growth on the way here too. Either way good luck

A lack of research can really make one appear uninformed. Get ready for the REAL scoop:

1. NJA training is first class as well. MANY of our newhires, especially former airline, will tell you it's the most difficult they have had. Oh, and the first year is not "a little rough".

2. Your "travel benefits" at the airlines suck. At NJA we earn a fairly high amount of frequent flyer miles so we can travel on a real guaranteed-space ticket (we also attain elite status on many carriers so I sit in first-class when available). I have several vacations per year that are 100% FREE. This includes the hotels as well. We use mostly Hilton and Marriott properties (and earn our points) and are Diamond elite members because of it!

3. Who cares if you can't fly with pax until you have 250 hours? Every other leg is a ferry and you will fly those. Some of those legs are longer than the pax legs. Also, you will hit 250 hours in about 6-8 months and then we swap legs regardless of pax (ok, this IS at the discretion of the Captain).

4. We don't spend "lots of time in the back of airlines". We typically airline out on day 1 and home on the last day. Personally I get to pick up one of our company planes on day 1 and often ferry it home on the last day. Mid-tour airlining has been rare. Also, who cares? We airline on our duty-day, with a company paid ticket. Yes it's hard work. Miss, I will have another Coke!

5. ON CALL??? WTFO? This one really surprises me: Due to a little regulation called FAR 91K, they absolutely CANNOT contact you 10 hours into your rest!! We are briefed PRIOR to shutdown on one day for our show-time on the next day. If I am shutdown at 5pm on Wednesday and am given a show-time of 9am on Thursday and plans change overnight, then tough crap, they cannot call me. I have had more time off on overnights since this reg went into effect last February than I can shake a stick at. When we do have a couple of "short overnights" (which for us is a min of 10 hours), then we call in fatigued and ask for more rest tonight. We have a policy that a fatigue call is not to be questioned.
Also, our 10 hour "rest clock" is always started when we ARRIVE AT THE HOTEL.

6. Let's not even get into "growth".

I have been here 5 years and have averaged 425 flight hours per year. I travel only on "work days". Every other week is a 7 day vacation and when I actually use a vacation I am off for 21 days. I do this 3 times per year. I also have another 12 "sick days" per year that pretty much give me 2 more 21-day off periods per year. I pocket most of my per-diem, and get good catered meals from the company.

So please, if you are trying to compare the two, PLEASE grab a NJA pilot in some FBO and sit down with him or her, and ask for the REAL scoop.

 

[niteflyr]

"but you will be on call as they can call you 10 hours into your overnight and make you go to work..."

False, Not since 91K. They give you at least 10 hours off and cannot disturb your rest to change your show time. Life has been much improved with the new rules in effect.

Personally I like the varied destinations as much as anything, got sick of the EWR-LGA-JFK-ORD-SFO-LAX-DFW-ATL....SLC over and over in the 121 life. Definitely not for those that want to know where they will be and when they get there for each day, I have talked several people into not applying at NJA because I knew they couldn't handle that aspect.

Two very different worlds, just depends on which one you feel more comfortable in. And the new TA hopefully becoming a contract makes it all the better. If it should fail then help us all, this pilot group will become divided beyond repair. Already a lot of bickering amongst the ranks.


PS: Didn't mean to sound redundant but Seat 0A must have been typing at the same time....

 

[Chairman]

"but you will be on call as they can call you 10 hours into your overnight and make you go to work..."

False, Not since 91K. They give you at least 10 hours off and cannot disturb your rest to change your show time. Life has been much improved with the new rules in effect.
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Reread my post if you had a 18 hour overnight you can be called in earler after 10 hours. Either way it is 2 differently live styles and I have lived both I prefer the airlines to each there own

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Reread my post if you had a 18 hour overnight you can be called in earler after 10 hours. Either way it is 2 differently live styles and I have lived both I prefer the airlines to each there own

NOT AT NETJETS. If we have 18 hours schedules we get that. If they call 10 hours in then we get another 10 hours of rest. PLEASE know your facts.

 

[Chairman]

I appoligize if I don't have my facts but that is by far the best rule from any 121/135/91 rest requirement. So it you have a 24 hour overnight and they call you 22 hours into the overnight you get another 10 hours. WOW you guys have it good.

 

[Diesel]

Yes unlike the other fractional we are the only company that actually sticks to the 91k rules.

Before shutdown they have to give you your brief and show time for the next day. You are then not allowed to be contacted by the company during ANY of that time. If they screw up and call you ding ding ding you get another 10 hours. It happens once and a while. I love it when it does. Just tell them they broke your rest and roll back over in bed.

In my opinion 91k has made this job completely different. It's great now. No more 10hour phone calls.

 

[Chairman]

Thanks for the info and the facts not a bad gig at all.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Yeah but they can get paid for more than flying. Example day one just a leg DEN-ICT. Only 1.1 hours flying but get paid 3.75hrs for working that day. So they might only fly 85 but get paid for 100 is what they other guy/gal was refering to.

You're right, but that's only if you have duty rigs. Most people I know in the regionals will average 85-90 hrs/month of pay, flying less than that, hence averaging 1000 hrs/yr of pay. Of course there are those who fly significantly more, and will make more money as a result - much like those who will be on the reserve schedule at NJA.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

You're right, but that's only if you have duty rigs. Most people I know in the regionals will average 85-90 hrs/month of pay, flying less than that, hence averaging 1000 hrs/yr of pay. Of course there are those who fly significantly more, and will make more money as a result - much like those who will be on the reserve schedule at NJA.

Good point.

5 year NJA capt. reserve schedule (18 days a month) = 106,800

5 year NJA fo reserve schedule = 56,200