Netjets or Flexjets?

[NETFLIER]

if you have to ask, then you would be better at Flexjet. There is no way you can compare the two.

Flexjets parent company is in the business to make planes. Not to rule the fractional industry.

Netjets is in the Fractional business.

Pilots at Netjets are together and strong.

Flexjets pilots, well, they are Flexjets pilots.

 

[jonjuan]

Netjets is in the Fractional business.

I thought the Net jet parent company is in business to make a profit? Rumor has it, old Warren is gettin' tired of handing out 20s to his read-headed step-child.

 

[RNObased]

I thought the Net jet parent company is in business to make a profit? Rumor has it, old Warren is gettin' tired of handing out 20s to his read-headed step-child.

Jonjon, Get your facts straight then post.

As for Flex or NJA, do whatever your gut is telling you to do.

 

[tk855]

Jonjon, Get your facts straight then post.

I agree, how in the heck do you know what Warren Buffet is tired of doing? I work for him and I don't even know what he is doing!

 

[OMG7778]

Is there a specific website to go to to apply for Flex Jet jobs? Are they even hiring right now? I know that NJ is. Any other information would be great.

OMG

 

[d91papa]

I don't think the upgrade time of 3-5 years at NJA is accurate. I was hired in Feb and have 320 pilots junior to me already, with 2 classes scheduled per month indefinately. Also, there will be some significant attrition here after the first of the year with the second payout of the signing bonus.
I've been looking at the numbers and I conclude 2-3 years for an upgrade if one is willing to take the first A/C available. I met a SIC last tour who just finished his second year with NJA. He said he missed an upgrade slot by one number.

 

[911lil]

attrition

Why will there be attrition starting?

 

[Freight Jock]

Is there a specific website to go to to apply for Flex Jet jobs? Are they even hiring right now? I know that NJ is. Any other information would be great.

OMG

Flex just hired approximately 15-18 and per HR they have all the pilots they need until early next year.

 

[RNObased]

Why will there be attrition starting?

The word is that somewhere between 400 and 0 pilots will be leaving after the payout of the second signing bonus. These are guys who came here to fly a couple years and then retire, but decided to stick around for the contract fight and the signing bonus payout. Now are these numbers accurate?? That is the fifty dollar question, however if I was a betting man, and I have been known to bet from time to time, I would say the number is somewhere around 200, with more over the next year or so. I personally know around 20 who are gone in the new year.

Time will tell.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Club ORD FO, I don't think you've been at Flex very long because that nice
"smaller company" atmosphere is a smoke screen. Give the schedulers time to FYO and they will. They will call you at 3:00am after you've been asleep for about 3 hours thinking you're not out until noon the next day and want you to fly across the country to cover a trip from SFO to LAX and your sitting in PWK! Then there is the deal where they want you to fly up to the 14 hours scheduled and your know if any owners are late you will go over 14. Then you get to the last leg and there is no way you are going to stay in the duty time and end up doing 16 hours of duty so you won't disappoint the owners. All because of this "nice" atmosphere. I think you "should" take pride in your company and work to make it the GREAT company it should be.

Well this I just have to comment on... yeah I am new here. Yes, maybe I have not been here long enough, or worked a busy season yet, to know how bad it can get. I am curious what other properties you have flown for? I am getting screwed over a hell of a lot less here than at ACA/Independence, which was considered to be one of the best places to work for a pilot. Try flying in and out of ORD all day long and see how many times a thunderstorm turns your day into 15 hours followed by 8 hours of "rest" at a comfort inn. And airline reserve is a hell of a lot worse than our "reserve" Think airport standby, a lot of airport standyby...and not in a cushy signature FBO.

So, comparing this new gig to my old airline job, I work a hell of a lot less and sleep a hell of a lot more. And I got a rasie after being an FO for 5 years. The only thing I miss is not knowing what time the phone is going to ring, which means I can not easily plan a sightseeing trip anywhere I go.

But, with all that said, yeah I think a few changes are in order (Gateways Rick!!!) but I at least feel like they are working towards a solution. Being new, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Perhaps a year from now I'll be singing a different tune, we'll see.... In all fairness I did, like many independence guys here, apply to NJ first but got turned down. When you look at the two on paper, NJ pay and benefits made it an easy choice. But the interview process made me glad that NJ tunred me down. Totally different attitudes.... So now I am at a company I enjoy working for. I think/hope the compensation will catch up to NJ. once again, we'll see...

 

[gunfyter]

How do you like your crow?

I thought the Net jet parent company is in business to make a profit? Rumor has it, old Warren is gettin' tired of handing out 20s to his read-headed step-child.

In 2006, pre-tax earnings of the flight services businesses totaled $103 million in the third quarter and $234 million for the first nine months compared to $42 million and $100 million for the comparable 2005 periods. The major portion of these increases related to the NetJets fractional ownership business http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/qtrly/3rdqtr06.pdf​

Berkshire said its non-insurance businesses are also doing well, and the company singled out the performance of its fractional private jet ownership business, NetJets. Berkshire's flight services businesses, which includes NetJets and the FlightSafety training division, reported pretax earnings of $103 million, up from $42 million last year.​

http://www.kiplingerforecasts.com/apnews/XmlStoryResult.php?storyid=257974​

Looks like your right though. NetJets parent company is in the business of making a profit.

 

[VVJM265]

I don't think the upgrade time of 3-5 years at NJA is accurate. I was hired in Feb and have 320 pilots junior to me already, with 2 classes scheduled per month indefinately. Also, there will be some significant attrition here after the first of the year with the second payout of the signing bonus.
I've been looking at the numbers and I conclude 2-3 years for an upgrade if one is willing to take the first A/C available. I met a SIC last tour who just finished his second year with NJA. He said he missed an upgrade slot by one number.

Someone on airlinepilotcentral posted 20 years for a realistic upgrade at NJA. Granted, planning on upgrade time is like betting on the cum, but 20 yrs seems a bit excessive; I can see that for the BBJ maybe but not everything else. Comments from the floor would be appreciated...
Thanks,
265

 

[Guitar Guy]

Someone on airlinepilotcentral posted 20 years for a realistic upgrade at NJA. Granted, planning on upgrade time is like betting on the cum, but 20 yrs seems a bit excessive; I can see that for the BBJ maybe but not everything else. Comments from the floor would be appreciated...
Thanks,
265

I can't see someone being a 20-year SIC here unless that's what that person wanted to do. As you said, predicting upgrade is tough, as it's affected by growth, retirements, etc. But if you wanted a guestimate for someone getting hired this coming Monday, I'd say around 4-5 years.

 

[jtf]

I think it was me who posted the 20 years on the other board, but I also wrote that is for a class IV or V aircraft if we even have them then. 20 years would probably be pretty fast for an airframe like that for a newhire. A newhire would already have over 2600 guys ahead of them and at least 2/3 of them could very well work here for the next 20 years. There are very few big airplanes here and we don't know what the future will hold for that- but I can't see ever having all that many since all our customers are rich, but there just aren't all that many people who can afford a big airframe versus the smaller airframes on the market.