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NJA non-negotiating employees are evidence to suppport this speculation.

Sorry Dispatcher,
According to Mr D McG.......a senior VP, the reason for poor preformance in some departments is because of LOW pay. Can't attract and keep good people at 'these low wages.'

EJM is evidence

Ask the guys that were layed off and landed at the bottom of our senority list how that worked out for them.
 
x402 said:
NJA non-negotiating employees are evidence to suppport this speculation.

Sorry Dispatcher,
According to Mr D McG.......a senior VP, the reason for poor preformance in some departments is because of LOW pay. Can't attract and keep good people at 'these low wages.'

EJM is evidence

Ask the guys that were layed off and landed at the bottom of our senority list how that worked out for them.
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It would be difficult to make a earnest rebuttal without knowing which departement he was referring to (it matters very much). At any rate, most all company's the size of NJA have entry level positions. A union wouldn't necessarily increase the performance or pay for these departments.

My point isn't necessarily to try to convince you EJM is non-union utopia. Only that pilots wouldn't be paid any better with a union on the property. And further speculation that they could be worse as demonstrated by NJA Teamster history would suggest. Of course any pilot who was laid off without representation would likely have just cause to argue against that. But that would be a completely different topic.

I would suggest, however, that NJI is the closest this company is going to get to non-union utopia and on that point you were suspiciously muted.

Curious question: would you take a job at Jet Blue? How about NJI?
 
The difference between jetblue is they respect their workers and understand what they need. Netjets couldn't give a crap about the workers.
 
NetJets respects it's employees. Even the ones who took the job and cry foul that the company isn'tpaying them enough or showing respect. I believe that you confuse respect with your own definition of unfulfilled wants.
 
dsptchrNJA said:

I would suggest, however, that NJI is the closest this company is going to get to non-union utopia and on that point you were suspiciously muted.
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Funny you should mention this.

I've made it a point to talk to as many NJI folks on the road this summer as would take the time to yak with me.

During a fire drill in the TEB Embassy a couple of months ago, I had a very interesting conversation with a 4-5 yr Capt at NJI.

He told me the usual (and I don't doubt it one bit) cut and dried stuff about how green it is on the other side, but he did mention there is a growing feeling among the younger set at NJI (I would guess he was early to mid thirties) that a Union would not be a bad thing.
Seems there is some growing concern with some A team activity in SAV.

Having said all this, it was just one guy out of many, that kind of opened up. I would not call him disgruntled at all, just maybe facing inevitable facts of this business?

Any NJI folks have any insight on this?
 
actually don't confuse me with anyone.

I work HARD every day to make this place better.

I can't really explain what i do on a daily basis. Much like a person upstairs can't explain to me what they do on a daily basis.

This board has been taken over by people who have nothing to do with flying the line but seem to think that their imput will affect negotiiations or pilots perspectives.

I have limited control over what happens in negotiations but the people upstairs have none. Until a TA comes out we can yell and shout but it will do no good.
 
dsptchrNJA said:
It would be difficult to make a earnest rebuttal without knowing which departement he was referring to (it matters very much). At any rate, most all company's the size of NJA have entry level positions. A union wouldn't necessarily increase the performance or pay for these departments.

My point isn't necessarily to try to convince you EJM is non-union utopia. Only that pilots wouldn't be paid any better with a union on the property. And further speculation that they could be worse as demonstrated by NJA Teamster history would suggest. Of course any pilot who was laid off without representation would likely have just cause to argue against that. But that would be a completely different topic.

I would suggest, however, that NJI is the closest this company is going to get to non-union utopia and on that point you were suspiciously muted.

Curious question: would you take a job at Jet Blue? How about NJI?
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Straight answer,
Yes/No
 
Diesel said:
The difference between jetblue is they respect their workers and understand what they need. Netjets couldn't give a crap about the workers.
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Seeing how so many people on this board seem to equate respect with pay, your answer surprises me given the following monthly pay rates by years of service:

Years.. Jetblue.. NetJets
1..............4970......3130
2..............5040......3320
3..............5180......3930
4..............5320......4830
5..............5390......5080
6..............5530......5350
7..............5600......5630
8..............5740......6210
9..............5880......6470
10............5950......6730
11............6090......7030
12............6230......7330
13............6230......7650
14............6230......7980
Totals...79380....80670

Source: airlinepilotpay.com
 
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Diesel said:
actually don't confuse me with anyone.

I work HARD every day to make this place better.

This board has been taken over by people who have nothing to do with flying the line but seem to think that their imput will affect negotiiations or pilots perspectives.
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There's no doubt you are good at what you do and your attitude at work is significantly better to the owners than what is represented here (and if your from downeast Maine you can't be all that bad) but I've read most all your posts recently and strictly speaking for what you write on this board you would have been more correct in stating:

"I work HARD every day to make this place bitter."

This is not a personal attack but rather an explanation for why this board has been "taken over" by people who actually care about the slanderous assaults made by a small minority on a company they care a great deal about.
 
Oh trust me it's a personal attack.

This board has been taken over by people trying to spin their own agenda in support of the company spin.

It's an aviation board for pilots so we know what's going on at other companies. Show me any thread that non pilots constantly get on the message board and spin the company line? It doesn't happen.

This fractional forum has been taken over by non pilots trying to spin what is going on at the company as a good thing. it's not by any means.
 
Touche'....

This is not a personal attack but rather an explanation for why this board has been "taken over" by people who actually care about the slanderous assaults made by a small minority on a company they care a great deal about.
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Our side has also seen an increase in "company" spin on this site since this time last year. Rest assured we're providing check and balance to you as well.

Informare Laboramus
 
Diesel said:
Oh trust me it's a personal attack.

This board has been taken over by people trying to spin their own agenda in support of the company spin.

It's an aviation board for pilots so we know what's going on at other companies. Show me any thread that non pilots constantly get on the message board and spin the company line? It doesn't happen.

This fractional forum has been taken over by non pilots trying to spin what is going on at the company as a good thing. it's not by any means.
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Uhhhh, I am a pilot. Just don't get paid for it. If this board is for paid pilots only and the Webmaster says I have to leave than I'm outta here! But just checked and I can't find anywhere on Flightinfo.com where it says anything to support your claim it is for pilots only. In fact if you are that interested in playing by the rules I guess we should only be discussing interviews as that is what it states the sole purpose is.
 
is that a big 402?
 
Diesel said:
Oh trust me it's a personal attack.

This board has been taken over by people trying to spin their own agenda in support of the company spin.

It's an aviation board for pilots so we know what's going on at other companies.
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I thought this had been hashed out several weeks ago, but you seem to have forgotten....

Its a board for ALL aviation related concerns. If you are correct then why do they have forums dedicated to mechanics, flight attendants, and others?

As for other people getting on here and defending their company, I think its a good indication that not everyone shares your gloom and doom.
 
x402 said:
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/51/17/

Here's the link, the most junior Capt is a 2003 hire, he's in the A320.

Family Guy, you're spining with the best of 'em. Maybe there's a job for you in the propaganda department.
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I'm spinning with the best of them?!?

What about all that union propaganda about the 1st year FO pay?

How many people are actually being paid at that rate????
 
It's only through hard work and the sacrifice of others that guys are getting paid bypass pay.

Again spin spin spin. From people that have nothing to do with flying the line.

For pilots that read this. Look at all the arguments that go on this board. It's all versus pilots vs people that work upstairs. (some of them are close friends)

There are no arguments with Nja line pilots vs Nja line pilots.

Company spin spin spin.

For those of you that are pilots that don't aren't line pilots but are professional aviatiors then your opinion is heard and welcome. Even H2b and Muddauber brings interesting flying views to this board.

The rest is just company spin. Be warned.
 
FamilyGuy said:
I'm spinning with the best of them?!?

What about all that union propaganda about the 1st year FO pay?

How many people are actually being paid at that rate????
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There is no promise that you will make more than 1st year FO pay when you come here, if fact we had a LOT of pilots that did make just that for their first year. Things have changed slightly with great efforts from the members, but there is not a promise that this will continue. Also, it is not because of any company action that the FO's got bypass pay.
 
FamilyGuy said:
Seeing how so many people on this board seem to equate respect with pay, your answer surprises me given the following monthly pay rates by years of service:

Years.. Jetblue.. NetJets
1..............4970......3130
2..............5040......3320
3..............5180......3930
4..............5320......4830
5..............5390......5080
6..............5530......5350
7..............5600......5630
8..............5740......6210
9..............5880......6470
10............5950......6730
11............6090......7030
12............6230......7330
13............6230......7650
14............6230......7980
Totals...79380....80670

Source: airlinepilotpay.com
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Hey, nice try. According to your source, the EMBs aren't even on property yet, which means nobody's being paid those rates. Plus you incorrectly calculated a 70-hour guarantee. Reserve pilots are guaranteed 75 hrs, with 5 of those at 150%. So here are the real numbers, in case you're interested:

Years.. JB A320.. NetJets
1..............8525......3130
2..............8757......3320
3..............8990......3930
4..............9145......4830
5..............9377......5080
6..............9535......5350
7..............9765......5630
8..............9920......6210
9............10152......6470
10..........10307......6730
11..........10540......7030
12..........10722......7330
13..........10722......7650
14..........10722......7980
Totals..137179....80670

Whenever they do get the EMBs, it will look like this:
Years.. JB EMB.. NetJets
1..............5502......3130
2..............5580......3320
3..............5735......3930
4..............5890......4830
5..............5967......5080
6..............6122......5350
7..............6200......5630
8..............6355......6210
9..............6510......6470
10............6587......6730
11............6742......7030
12............6897......7330
13............6897......7650
14............6897......7980
Totals....87881....80670
 
That is what I made my first yr. Oh so the most junior paid JETBLU Capt makes 8250 a month in his 3rd yr with the company... i'll take that 100K yr 3

Good job Grump
 
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Ultra Grump said:
Hey, nice try. According to your source, the EMBs aren't even on property yet, which means nobody's being paid those rates. Plus you incorrectly calculated a 70-hour guarantee. Reserve pilots are guaranteed 75 hrs, with 5 of those at 150%. So here are the real numbers, in case you're interested:

Years.. JB A320.. NetJets
1..............8525......3130
2..............8757......3320
3..............8990......3930
4..............9145......4830
5..............9377......5080
6..............9535......5350
7..............9765......5630
8..............9920......6210
9............10152......6470
10..........10307......6730
11..........10540......7030
12..........10722......7330
13..........10722......7650
14..........10722......7980
Totals..137179....80670

Whenever they do get the EMBs, it will look like this:
Years.. JB EMB.. NetJets
1..............5502......3130
2..............5580......3320
3..............5735......3930
4..............5890......4830
5..............5967......5080
6..............6122......5350
7..............6200......5630
8..............6355......6210
9..............6510......6470
10............6587......6730
11............6742......7030
12............6897......7330
13............6897......7650
14............6897......7980
Totals....87881....80670
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Grump - why do you want to use the reserve guarantee? I thought you guys were opposed to working more hours for more money?

And if you want to be totally fair about it, why dont you include the last company offer of 23% in the NJ totals? And compare BBJ rates to the A320 rates?
 
x402 said:
He doesn't know what an EMB is.
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I know its larger, carries more passengers, and most importantly, will generate more revenue than any aircraft you will fly at NJA.

What else do I need to know?
 
FamilyGuy said:
I know its larger, carries more passengers, and most importantly, will generate more revenue than any aircraft you will fly at NJA.

What else do I need to know?
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We don't care about generating revenue. If that was the case we would be selling seats. We would not fly a X coast to coast with one person on board.

FG, get lost you company tool. Our pay comes from the "artificially low" management fee's. Not enough money to properly pay your pilots :rolleyes: raise the fee's.

And before you go on about "the books". We don't care. Find the money or pay the price. Planes will fly at NJA or somewhere else.
 
Ultra Grump said:
Hey, nice try. According to your source, the EMBs aren't even on property yet, which means nobody's being paid those rates. Plus you incorrectly calculated a 70-hour guarantee. Reserve pilots are guaranteed 75 hrs, with 5 of those at 150%. So here are the real numbers, in case you're interested:

Years.. JB A320.. NetJets
1..............8525......3130
2..............8757......3320
3..............8990......3930
4..............9145......4830
5..............9377......5080
6..............9535......5350
7..............9765......5630
8..............9920......6210
9............10152......6470
10..........10307......6730
11..........10540......7030
12..........10722......7330
13..........10722......7650
14..........10722......7980
Totals..137179....80670

Whenever they do get the EMBs, it will look like this:
Years.. JB EMB.. NetJets
1..............5502......3130
2..............5580......3320
3..............5735......3930
4..............5890......4830
5..............5967......5080
6..............6122......5350
7..............6200......5630
8..............6355......6210
9..............6510......6470
10............6587......6730
11............6742......7030
12............6897......7330
13............6897......7650
14............6897......7980
Totals....87881....80670
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One word: PATHETIC

And NJA claims to attract the "best and safest" pilots in the industry for their owners. Really? Do you think the best pilots will want to work for those peanuts? Highly doubt it. I think if JetBlue, SWA, FedEx, UPS and AirTran could hire any faster many of NJA's "best and safest" pilots would be GONE...

At the end of the day, paying a Citation X Captain $60K is just a joke no matter how NJA management SPINS it...
 

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