NetJets Interview

[JustInfo]

LOL! IS this guy for real? Thank you mister "Lie n for da company" for your "pilot" perspective. I only wish when I had 50 TT and .5 in a 310 I could have had your vast knowledge of this industry, maybe I would have stayed out of it altogether!


Oh, and I too would like to know where to send my tuition reimbursement bills???

 

[Lie_n_wait01]

Ohh yeah...im for real!!!

LOL! IS this guy for real? Thank you mister "Lie n for da company" for your "pilot" perspective. I only wish when I had 50 TT and .5 in a 310 I could have had your vast knowledge of this industry, maybe I would have stayed out of it altogether!


Oh, and I too would like to know where to send my tuition reimbursement bills???

Oh trust me im for real...I just pinched myself to be sure!



As for the tuition reimbursement guys I realize that I may have been off the mark. However I also realize that was the only point in which you three (you know who im talking to) really pointed out. Perhaps there is some validity to my argument. I’m sorry that you do not receive reimbursement as us Non-Union members do. Perhaps that would, should lead to taking a better look at your Union situation, meaning that maybe the Union is not the way to go. I’m not going to lie; I am not a Union man. Sure in the days of Hoffa and such, I need not go further, Unions were a must to over power the zealots which ran big business. However on the same note times have changed and I really feel that they do more harm then good. Case in point, I am a non-union member within the same company and have no grips what so ever. I feel that I am very well taken care of and see the future as exciting and prosperous. Now it will require lots of hard work and dedication but this company offers a bright secure future to those who put there best foot forward.

If you all notice there are not, I dare not say any cause im really not sure, many non-union members speaking of discomfort or agitation on this site. Perhaps that could be the cause of many of your problems as it is. So i ask why would you want another person to represent you anyway? Why would you choose to have others decide the fate of your future? To decide your “Net Worth”. I have the opportunity to decide my own future, set my own price and if im worth it ill get it. Ill achieve without any Union telling the folks who pay my bills what im worth.



In response to my limited flying time....that is a front for I dare not expose myself to those who would seek to do harm if they disagreed with my stance and knew who I was. However I am humble enough to say that in regards to the time or requirements to hold a pilot job you all are very far ahead of me. This however does not mean that my view should be considered limited since I haven’t spent 10,000 hours in the right seat. I believe this statement only proves your ignorance and for that I am sorry. I have spent many years in this industry working form both a Union, Non-Union, and Management position. I have seen companies rise and fail. I have seen the best and trust me I have seen the worst. I must admit, all do respect to the Gods of Netjets, this is one of, if not the best aviation company in the industry. In closing I ask that you not forget your meager past for you will never notice your rich future.

Im sure ill be insulted again.



What has America become….Karl Marx Would be proud.

 

[Diesel]

How many supposed cmh people that hate the union are going to sign up for these boards. It's getting old allready.

 

[steel]

Ignorance is bliss

 

[JustInfo]

You're right, I guess. What has my union done for me lately? I guess the $3,000+ extra cash on my last check would have been given to me just out of the generosity of management's heart without a union to fight for just reimbursement for their blatant abuse. I will be the first to agree this place has been a great job and has (had) a lot of potential, but things have been pushed way too far now. Nothing more insulting than paying pilots less than FA's, I guess they would change that too if we just ask, why have a union????

 

[Semore Butts]

Maybe they are right?

Maybe all the anti union people are right?

Maybe we ought to dump the union and just take whatever the company offers us.


I mean just because every single major air carrier on the planet have unions, that don't make it right! Right?

Umm? I wonder why every major player has a union?

UMMMM??? MMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!! All the majors have unions!!!!!!!!!!! I'm hungry!!!!!!!!!!!

I came to Netjets because it has union representation, and I'm glad I did.

There is a reason for it, escpecially in this day and age of Golden parachutes and profit margins and other lowlife weasel crap that goes on in management.

The industry of Fu^*king your fellow man for a living needs to go away.

What happened to the go to work in cutoffs and sandals? Profit sharing, and lets all work together to have a great company? I just want a piece of the pie, I worked for it, I deserve it.

 

[Hawkered]

Then start a software company or move to "The Valley" and start your own, "video" production company!!

 

[You're right]

Diesel, there are plenty of us. Stop by on Friday to say hello why don't you?

 

[dsptchrnja]

Umm? I wonder why every major player has a union?

Can't say I can speak for any other operation but Jet Blue seems to be getting along nicely without a union. And even though not a "major" themselves I'm guessing the vast majority of their pilots came from major airlines with union representation.

I believe your $3,000 is nothing compared to the compensation you would have accumulated over the years without a union to muck up the salary decisions with bureaucracy and politics. NJI is evidence. EJM is evidence. NJA non-negotiating employees are evidence to suppport this speculation.

 

[Hogprint]

JustInfo posted:

Nothing more insulting than paying pilots less than FA's,

Ha-Ha! Funny thing happened to me on the way out of the Hyatt recently.

This Falcon crew is getting into Arch as the bellman brings around my rental. The FA sees this Pacifica I'm driving and comes up and starts asking me how I like it.

I say, jump in and see how it fits you. She gives it the once over and starts to explain how she owns the Lexus, but the turning radius blows and she's thinking of jumping ship to the Range Rover.

Not to be outdone, I go into a dissertation of the joys of riding shotgun in my buddies Discovery (as close as I can come to this level of SUV!). When I said as much, she then kind of wrinkles her nose and asks "Oh, so this is a rental?"

We had a good laugh! One can only dream.....ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[x402]

NJA non-negotiating employees are evidence to suppport this speculation.

Sorry Dispatcher,
According to Mr D McG.......a senior VP, the reason for poor preformance in some departments is because of LOW pay. Can't attract and keep good people at 'these low wages.'

EJM is evidence

Ask the guys that were layed off and landed at the bottom of our senority list how that worked out for them.

 

[dsptchrnja]

NJA non-negotiating employees are evidence to suppport this speculation.

Sorry Dispatcher,
According to Mr D McG.......a senior VP, the reason for poor preformance in some departments is because of LOW pay. Can't attract and keep good people at 'these low wages.'

EJM is evidence

Ask the guys that were layed off and landed at the bottom of our senority list how that worked out for them.

It would be difficult to make a earnest rebuttal without knowing which departement he was referring to (it matters very much). At any rate, most all company's the size of NJA have entry level positions. A union wouldn't necessarily increase the performance or pay for these departments.

My point isn't necessarily to try to convince you EJM is non-union utopia. Only that pilots wouldn't be paid any better with a union on the property. And further speculation that they could be worse as demonstrated by NJA Teamster history would suggest. Of course any pilot who was laid off without representation would likely have just cause to argue against that. But that would be a completely different topic.

I would suggest, however, that NJI is the closest this company is going to get to non-union utopia and on that point you were suspiciously muted.

Curious question: would you take a job at Jet Blue? How about NJI?

 

[Diesel]

The difference between jetblue is they respect their workers and understand what they need. Netjets couldn't give a crap about the workers.

 

[CMHTroll]

NetJets respects it's employees. Even the ones who took the job and cry foul that the company isn'tpaying them enough or showing respect. I believe that you confuse respect with your own definition of unfulfilled wants.

 

[Hogprint]

dsptchrNJA said:

I would suggest, however, that NJI is the closest this company is going to get to non-union utopia and on that point you were suspiciously muted.

Funny you should mention this.

I've made it a point to talk to as many NJI folks on the road this summer as would take the time to yak with me.

During a fire drill in the TEB Embassy a couple of months ago, I had a very interesting conversation with a 4-5 yr Capt at NJI.

He told me the usual (and I don't doubt it one bit) cut and dried stuff about how green it is on the other side, but he did mention there is a growing feeling among the younger set at NJI (I would guess he was early to mid thirties) that a Union would not be a bad thing.
Seems there is some growing concern with some A team activity in SAV.

Having said all this, it was just one guy out of many, that kind of opened up. I would not call him disgruntled at all, just maybe facing inevitable facts of this business?

Any NJI folks have any insight on this?

 

[You're right]

Diesel, perfect!! Here is your big chance. "jetblue.recruitmax.com" They are currently hiring. Help us all out---and apply.

 

[Diesel]

actually don't confuse me with anyone.

I work HARD every day to make this place better.

I can't really explain what i do on a daily basis. Much like a person upstairs can't explain to me what they do on a daily basis.

This board has been taken over by people who have nothing to do with flying the line but seem to think that their imput will affect negotiiations or pilots perspectives.

I have limited control over what happens in negotiations but the people upstairs have none. Until a TA comes out we can yell and shout but it will do no good.

 

[x402]

It would be difficult to make a earnest rebuttal without knowing which departement he was referring to (it matters very much). At any rate, most all company's the size of NJA have entry level positions. A union wouldn't necessarily increase the performance or pay for these departments.

My point isn't necessarily to try to convince you EJM is non-union utopia. Only that pilots wouldn't be paid any better with a union on the property. And further speculation that they could be worse as demonstrated by NJA Teamster history would suggest. Of course any pilot who was laid off without representation would likely have just cause to argue against that. But that would be a completely different topic.

I would suggest, however, that NJI is the closest this company is going to get to non-union utopia and on that point you were suspiciously muted.

Curious question: would you take a job at Jet Blue? How about NJI?

Straight answer,
Yes/No

 

[FamilyGuy]

The difference between jetblue is they respect their workers and understand what they need. Netjets couldn't give a crap about the workers.

Seeing how so many people on this board seem to equate respect with pay, your answer surprises me given the following monthly pay rates by years of service:

Years.. Jetblue.. NetJets
1..............4970......3130
2..............5040......3320
3..............5180......3930
4..............5320......4830
5..............5390......5080
6..............5530......5350
7..............5600......5630
8..............5740......6210
9..............5880......6470
10............5950......6730
11............6090......7030
12............6230......7330
13............6230......7650
14............6230......7980
Totals...79380....80670

Source: airlinepilotpay.com

 

[El Chupacabra]

So we compare SIC pay to Captain pay?