NetJets International Interview

[El Chupacabra]

House of Cards.

If its really a House of Cards then let it fall.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

CATYAP



As an experienced aviator and GulfStream pilot, I must say that it is insulting to any pilot to make a big deal out of flying international and or the GulfStream. International is a long IFR flight with position reports PERIOD and the GulfStream is just another airplane PERIOD!



Stop having such a big head about equipment one operates and realize that anyone can fly the dang airplane. Additionally; like it or not NetJets is under the RLA and all non-UNION employees from a purchased company will go to the bottom of our Air Carrier Seniority list.



NetJets will leave the GulfStream entanglement to implement their business plan as they seem fit not as dictated by an OEM. Dassault provides machines without limitations to their operations or crewing-GulfStream does not. Look for the 7x soon with NJA pilots flying them international- as we presently do daily!

 

[CatYaaak]

CATYAP



As an experienced aviator and GulfStream pilot, I must say that it is insulting to any pilot to make a big deal out of flying international and or the GulfStream. International is a long IFR flight with position reports PERIOD and the GulfStream is just another airplane PERIOD!



Stop having such a big head about equipment one operates and realize that anyone can fly the dang airplane. Additionally; like it or not NetJets is under the RLA and all non-UNION employees from a purchased company will go to the bottom of our Air Carrier Seniority list.



NetJets will leave the GulfStream entanglement to implement their business plan as they seem fit not as dictated by an OEM. Dassault provides machines without limitations to their operations or crewing-GulfStream does not. Look for the 7x soon with NJA pilots flying them international- as we presently do daily!

Thanks for the lame-o attempt to assign a big head to me, but I didn't make a big deal out of anything, certainly not flying a Gulfstream (flying any airplane ain't rocket surgery) nor is int'l ops....um...PERIOD. Congrats on your experience, but that still doesn't change the history of how NJI came to be, or what forces like Gulfstream and insurance companies dictated as far as time-in-type to have the operation up an running from ground zero in little time. Direct your hissy-fit at them, but it's not as if this is a new thing. Even airlines have rules regarding green-on-green crewing in a type, and that's what drawing from the EJA pilot pool at the time back then would have resulted in. If you think that's insulting, well whatever.

Besides, what's so great about having a union? You've had one there for years now, and yet it remains that nobody flies business aircraft for less than you agreed to do it for. Is it all about the feel-good rhetoric?...and how will your lot change if you succeed in what you want regarding higher-paid, non-union pilots, who didn't sell out?

 

[Publishers]

I know enough that if the deal with Santulli had not gone through, I likely would have been the head of Sales and Marketing under Paul Tibbetts which I had several interviews for with he and Bruce Sunland.

I do not write for AIN which is not a disclaimer as they are a good publication.

Frankly Diesel, what do you consider the big show. I was in charge of the construction and implementation of the Flying Tigers domestic hub, was head of sales and marketing at Evergreen International, was the principal trasport category aircraft trader for International Air Leases, was responsible for providing certification consulting and crews for airline certifications like Air Tran and Sun Jet.

The fact is that EJA did not exactly have a great history of profits. Lassiter and LeMay had a great time playing with it but did not produce much for investors. The company struggled along for almost twenty years. They basically sold charter for about $3.45 a mile and were geared for one way trips.

In the end, EJA brought very little to the table at purchase. They had a high profile list, a certificate, and mostly ex military pilots. They did have a decent maintenance shop by that point at CMH. Still, if you looked at his game plan, he could have just as easily started from scratch. I would have been glad to sell him my 135 operation with it's own airport base, fuel farm, and hanger for less. As he changed everything about the operation, what difference would it have made.

 

[Live4flyng]

There you go not making any sense once again. So you drop a few names from the old days, but you clearly have little knowledge about NJA and it's operations.

I know enough that if the deal with Santulli had not gone through, I likely would have been the head of Sales and Marketing under Paul Tibbetts which I had several interviews for with he and Bruce Sunland.

Please explain to us why you would go and work for Executive Jet as an employee when you

would have been glad to sell him my 135 operation with it's own airport base, fuel farm, and hanger for less.

??? This makes absolutely no sense at all. You would be willing to go to work as an employee for a competitor of your own charter operation? Please explain in plain english so we can understand this one.

 

[Publishers]

My charter operation was one of 4 divisions under my management unmbrella. At $4.0m a year, it was also the smallest. We had 19 aircraft in charter and had a close relationship with Airnet. I had at that point been looking to change from the coo position in this other industry to something in the aviation industry and heading up the EJA marketing would have been an interesting challenge, especially as the general had indicated that they would be open to some of the things I had created with our 135. While it may not have been as prestigeous nor pay as well as my previous employment, I looked at it as an opportunity to transition into another industry and to do something else on a national scale.

When that did not work out due to the purchase, I resigned from the company and looked at some other opportunities. That is when the Flying Tigers opportunity came along. While running the 135, we had formed a joint venture for a 121 operation flying Convairs for Emery. The individual from that venture partner went to work for Tigers. He hired me to do the hub project.

Shortly after that, I sold my 402 and Aztec and became pretty oriented to the air freight business and distribution. That led me to meet Del Smith at Evergreen and eventually I went out there. They had just received the Post Office hub contract so it was another chance to do something interesting. Eventually they started buying a number of aircraft and Del sent me on that mission.

This was a hobby of mine that had obviously gone amok. I kept some track of Netjets as I was a Columbus guy and had served on every committee in the Chamber and other groups there.

 

[Live4flyng]

So what you are saying now is: You were the COO of a 135 operation, correct? Then how could you sell it to RTS if you weren't the owner? This is one problem with small time managers, they think they own a company when given a little responsibility. Please spare us from any more input on union/management negotiations. NJA finally has a union (rid of corruption), that is already begining to take care of business. Just sit back and watch, you will have plenty to write about shortly.

Love,

S/U

 

[Publishers]

I was the COO of 4 divisons of a public company doing a bit over $60.0m per year with aviation (corporate/charter) accounting for $4.0m. The Chairman and I bought and sold a number of companies during this period plus created several joint ventures with the boards approval. One I bought was the 135 as I saw an opportunity to make our flight operations more efficient and less costly. It worked quite wwell during the fuel shortage and ATC strike.

So far this union has not accomplished jack so I will anxiously await them actually doing something other than voting down deals.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

CATYAPPER



History-I’m talking the future here and you are getting your thongs in a knot.

NJI/GulfStream will be gone and merged with NJLA, NJI pilots will be at the bottom of the list when it occurs. Say what you want about a UNION being on the property. There’s good and bad with any UNION- 90% good, 10% bad-I no, I no, the pay is the 10%-there.

Dassault will replace the G-birds for long range. VLJ’s will also be joining our company and will be a very good seller with Safe, Professional, UNION pilots flying them. The same Professional UNION Pilots which have grown this company into what it is today and will be tomorrow.



Pilot growth will be 350 to 450 pilots a year minimum for the next 3 years, topping out in the 5000 pilot range. Additionally; keep an eye out for the Fokker 100 Executive configured Jet coming to the only fractional provider in your neighborhood with a 121 certificate in the near future-crewed by Professional, Safe, UNION aircrews.



Don’t take it personally….



Resistance is futile, you will be Assimilated… It’s the NetJets business plan.

 

[gunfyter]

SafetyMan

Don't make me charge you for borrowing my Crystal Ball.

 

[CatYaaak]

CATYAPPER



History-I’m talking the future here and you are getting your thongs in a knot.

NJI/GulfStream will be gone and merged with NJLA, NJI pilots will be at the bottom of the list when it occurs. Say what you want about a UNION being on the property. There’s good and bad with any UNION- 90% good, 10% bad-I no, I no, the pay is the 10%-there.

Dassault will replace the G-birds for long range. VLJ’s will also be joining our company and will be a very good seller with Safe, Professional, UNION pilots flying them. The same Professional UNION Pilots which have grown this company into what it is today and will be tomorrow.



Pilot growth will be 350 to 450 pilots a year minimum for the next 3 years, topping out in the 5000 pilot range. Additionally; keep an eye out for the Fokker 100 Executive configured Jet coming to the only fractional provider in your neighborhood with a 121 certificate in the near future-crewed by Professional, Safe, UNION aircrews.
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Well Rah Rah Rah and hooray for your collective circle-jerk. Frankly, union stuff bores me to death when it's not simply comical, and it did even during the years when I was a member of one myself. Every ALPA job I ever had paid less than every non-union corporate job I've ever had, and was less secure.

But if it makes you feel better to wave your little banners......carry on.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

CATYAPPER…….

You didn’t post the best part of the quote. Here I reprinted it for you.



“Don’t take it personally…. “



“Resistance is futile, you will be Assimilated… It’s the NetJets business plan.”



It’s only a matter of time, your boss will be flown by Safe, Professional, UNION pilots in a UNION maintained aircraft.



Best of luck to you and yours.

 

[CatYaaak]

CATYAPPER…….

You didn’t post the best part of the quote. Here I reprinted it for you.



“Don’t take it personally…. “



“Resistance is futile, you will be Assimilated… It’s the NetJets business plan.”



It’s only a matter of time, your boss will be flown by Safe, Professional, UNION pilots in a UNION maintained aircraft.



Best of luck to you and yours.

Saw it...bored me....now I'm laughing.

You see, unions of any kind don't exist in the country where I work...they're illegal in fact...and the boss and his lot?...well, they literally run the country and make the rules so that pretty much takes care of your union babble. And with everything from Citations to 777's already in the stable for personal use and BBJs commonly used to accompany them all just to carry luggage, I can't see that your plans for a solitary Fokker 100, or whatever, will make much of a splash anywhere except in your NJA world.

So keep dreamin' those big dreams of assimilation Union boy, and as you say, "best of luck", and "nothin' personal".

I do find myself chuckling, however, at the thought of you believing that your thinly-veiled, union-thug rhetoric to somehow be worriesome to me. In fact, you re-printed and then added to it as a response to my ignoring it the first time, which makes your chest-puffing downright funny. With the real concerns and threats one has and gets in this part of the world lately, you've provided some comic relief with your...um...."scary!" threat to put me out of work (Oh golly, how shall I ever get to sleep tonight?) Thanks!

 

[gunfyter]

What the hell kind of communist country has made unions illegal? Say hello to Fidel for me.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

I am wondering about that too... BBJs for the luggage? Where ya workin?