NetJets International Interview

[FracCapt]

You bet your non-union happy ass. Ever been part of a real union? I mean, one that the NMB didn't need to get involved with? TWA/AA integration? Yeah, I was part of that one and didn't fare well, despite the APA. Did you ever apply and get accepted with a REAL airline? If you're not union, roll over and die!

Big talk for somebody that's totally anonymous. Good thing you're just some 14 year old punk that got on mommys computer while she was in her drunken stupor and not a real pilot. Go away troll....or should I say...roll over and die.

 

[Publishers]

The first step in that process will be the separation from Gulfstream because until then, there will not even be a discussion about them being a part of the union. Until then, the matter is mute.

No Gulfstream, no EJI at all.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

How is NJI pat of Gulfstream? They aren't. They are part of Netjets.

NetJets Inc includes EJM, NJI and NJA. Don't see Gulfstream in there.

Netjets sells NetJet shares which include cross-over between all of our aircraft from the Ultra to GV. From an owners standpoint it is all one company providing one service.

 

[GVFlyer]

There are maintenance, joint marketing and sales agreements currently existing between Gulfstream and NJI. Gulfstream Shares sells Shares to existing Gulfstream customers and large cabin aircraft owners. NJI sells Gulfstream Shares to mid and small cabin aircraft owners as well as "Concept Buyers."


Tenets of this agreement are Gulfstream experience requirements for NJI pilots and a non-compete agreement which stipulates that Gulfstream will not sell their products to competitors of NetJets and in turn NetJets will not sell competing products, such as the Global Express, to their clients. Extremely competitive Gulfstream product pricing for NetJets is also a component of this agreement.


GV

 

[Publishers]

Thank you GV -- several posts earlier outlined the history and origin behind this deal with Gulfstream and it was Gulfstream that determined how the piliot corp would be handled and hired. No Gulfstream, no EJI, pretty simple.

 

[Diesel]

So then you can understand why RTS was so po'ed about the G200 because at the time Gulfstream was giving Avolar a killer deal on Gulfstreams by financing them.

Publishers as usual is trying to troll as he likes to do.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Sorry but that is all pretty weak. So there is a relationship between Gulfstream and NJI. Yeah no kidding. NJIs relation with NJA is much greater in every way. I mean I fly a Hawker and we use Raytheon maintenance. So what.

 

[Publishers]

Well usually he who does the financing makes the rules. I believe that Gulfstream was quite specific about how this who deal was to run. If Netjets does not need support from Gulfstream, well then they can do what they want.

Just what great benefit is there to Netjets to have this separate entity?

Same thing about EJM, there was a different need and they are trying to fill it.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

The thing about NJI that frosts us NJA guys when we think about it is simple. We were cruising along with this whole fractional thing, adding new aircraft types to the fleet and all is well. Then the Gulfstreams come along and for some reason a whole new non-union entity is created to fly these airplanes. I have heard a couple different versions of how this came to be and honestly I can say I don't know the whole truth of the matter.

But it makes us kinda mad and a little worried and it shouldn't be hard to see why. What is stop NetJets from creating another non-union branch the next time they decide to buy a new type of airplane? The answer of course is scope. Why our union allowed NJI to slip by is pretty hard to imagine.

When looking at NetJets from a historical perspective it is clear... those guys are flying our airplanes.

 

[FracCapt]

Why our union allowed NJI to slip by is pretty hard to imagine.

No, it's not hard at all to imagine....your contract did not have sufficient scope language. Pretty simple, actually. It's just something that needs to be fixed with your next(this) contract.